I think you would have to go with top two's in tennis for a better comparison, big difference between second and third when you are playing an opponent.

Oh and the Williams sisters are GOAT.

Passing all of Jack's records isn't the point. Records besides Jack's remain to be broken.

E.g.

*Nelson has 113 consecutive top-20 finishes
*Nelson has 11 consecutive PGA Tour wins
*Nelson has 18 PGA wins in a single season

The aforementioned records will never, NEVER be broken. And Jack doesn't hold those records, but that doesn't make Nelson GOAT.

*Snead has 82 wins, and Tiger is on pace to crush that number

Meanwhile, about Woods:

*The lowest career scoring average in the history of the PGA.

*The lowest scoring average for a season in the history of the PGA.

*Made the most money from golf winnings of any golfer in history, even adjusted for inflation.

*Tiger Slam.

*27.1% WIN rate on the PGA tour.

*Most weeks and most consecutive weeks as #1.

And on and on and on and on

I agree that if Tiger doesn't get 4 or more majors, it will be a pock, but he's still the GOAT in spite of that, at least to rational people, and as long as he stays healthy and plays at this classic Tiger level, it is realistic that he'll beat Jack's record by 2018.

THIS

Tiger Slam is the most impressive achievement I think in all of sports..

See, this is why you're off, BO. The GOAT is the guy who wins consistently in the proposition given (I'd prefer 2160 holes played over an in-their-prime year). If Moe Norman would win, he's the GOAT, end of story. But for us to determine whether he would win, we need actual evidence, statistics, like his performance against great players over a fairly decent sample size. You think Moe Norman is the GOAT due to anecdotal folk stories. The numbers inform our answer, they are not THE answer.

And you're dodging the question anyway: you know in your heart of hearts Tiger wins the prop here, because the his career stats (scoring average alone) prove he would.

I mean there's basically no way he doesn't win at Augusta in 2.5 weeks.

Honestly what is he going to do wrong? I'm trying to think of scenarios in which he doesn't win and I can't really come up with one. Save him dying or suffering some fluke injury in the next couple weeks. Who is going do better than him over 4 days? Rory? No. Luke Donald? LOL. Justin Rose? We saw him crumble in Tiger's wake this week. Snedeker? He struggled this week. Bubba? Hasn't done squat since last Masters. Phil? It's always a possibility. Schwartzel? Maybe - he's been on fire the last couple months and he won recently at Augusta, playing like a God down the stretch.

But still it seems so much has to go right for someone else and so much has to go wrong for Tiger for him not to be in the lead after 72 holes. A parlay not likely to happen.

You post a lot of dumb ****. This is one of the dumbest. Favorite to win? Surely, but what a statement.


You are that guy at everyone's workplace that has such strong opinions on everything that everyone has resigned to just head-nodding and letting you go off in your own little world, aren't you?

gg Rory



Americans dominate again with six of the top 11 spots.

an average field size stat would be pretty nice with this, anyone know?

This is a ludicrous statement and one that drives the group crazy...there is a better chance tiger loses than wins the masters period end of story. You mentioned 5 guys there are 40 others who could put the week of their lives together. And don't discount that tigers 2 shot win could have been different with a single poor shot on 16 out of the bunker. Absolutely tiger is a huge favorite to win vs any single player but just stop these posts.

These are some really good posts. Of course the Tiger haters wont put much into them which is pretty mind boggling. Those stats are pretty telling. Win % by far a better stat to go off than # of wins once Tiger has reached the point he has. It would be one thing if it was 20 wins in 65 tourneys and career ended but its a different case here. His %s just absolutely destroy Jack, like its embarrassing how bad they crush him.

Leoslayer your posts are still pretty lol terrible. I cant believe your still stuck in the mindset "Tiger isnt intimidating at all, they are just choking pussies." Absolutely hilarious and couldnt be more wrong.

@ARC, come on with your no way Tiger can lose at the Masters mindset lol. Definitely a ton of guys that can win it for sure and Im sure anyone would take a bet with you with you taking Tiger and them getting the field. However, if Tiger plays well I do think he is a lock to win by multiple shots.

Tiger haters furious, love it. With the way Tiger is playing, there is actually a chance that discussion is over this year when Tiger goes out and wins all 4 majors

Bo's points ITT ard dead on. How can one be the GOAT and not hold the most majors? Who gives a **** if thats the only point someone is making. Its the biggest factor in determining the GOAT. When he does eclipse Jack's mark, then we can crown him. Until then, I dont even see the argument. Hell, Tiger would probably tell you that.

To the crowd using the Tiger win % stats etc; show Jack at the same number of events as Tiger that would at least make them relevant. Jack played 1-200 events well past his prime which contributes to the stat deflation (Tiger's % is still a good bit higher though I know). Just understand using that current stat is pretty irrelevant.

One interesting aside with the tennis argument Federer etc, interesting argument can be made that Fed can't be GOAT when he was dominated by his closest rival during his career Nadal (I forget lifetime record esp in majors vs Nadal).

100 plus wins and 16 majors or w/e absolutely is in the discussion for GOAT don't kid yourself; Bo even alluded to that. But certainly the majors is the most commonly used metric for comparisons sake.

Looking at the data here, Jack was at 19.65% (67/341) before his decline after 1978.

http://thesandtrap.com/b/the_numbers...tiger_and_jack

Back to the argument. Wouldnt it be better to say Jack was the GOAT of his period and Tiger is the GOAT of his period.

If you took a great race car drive from the 50's and shoved him in a Nascar now would he still be as great? Heck now woman can win so it cant be that hard. (knock on the Danica haters)

Would Babe Ruth be crushing home Runs in today's game

Youll never see another Wayne Gretzky in Hockey as the game has changed.

Golf has changed so much do to equipment and competition levels and other factors.

WE should have a special Tiger Thread.

GOTP?

Yes, Babe Ruth would still be hitting homeruns.

Lol at the nascar reference.

There is no argument. Until tiger wins more majors than Jack, the golden bear will be the GOAT.

Its really simple

Yes of course but we also know that this forum nor does the media work that way. In pretty much every sport they always try to determine who the GOAT of is overall regardless of era

If Tiger wins one less major and 30 more tour wins than Jack or lets just say Tiger gets 105 wins or whatever, dont think there is gonna be a shadow of a doubt its Tiger

I disagree, but I respect that.

I actually think if he comes up one shy, it will hurt him more than help him, as far as GOATness goes.

Could see the argument for this but I dont think anyone in the world thinks of Tiger as a choker or a guy who couldnt get the job done so Im not sure how much it would hurt him

Which is a more impressive streak and why?

Ben Hogan winning 6 straight events in 1948, or Tiger Woods doing it in 1999-2000.

If he wins three more before retirement, all those who have screamed that the U.S. Am isn't a major will instantly reverse course so both Jack and Tiger can have 20.

BO