Calling the experts...

Fowler looked to be fighting a pull or hook with his irons today. He only made it a game by sinking several long putts. Is this something he fights regularly? Any thoughts on today?

Yeah, and guess what? There's a huge amount of variance that goes into winning each one, which is why throwing out the rest of a career in a sample size is nonsensical.

oh no

cwice down

He definitely hit the ball pretty poorly all day IMO. He made 3 bombs for his 3 birdies and never really had any good chances. Don't think he hit but 1 shot inside 20 feet all day.

Standard Ricky tho when you attack the ball in the manner he does, layed off from the top and never really recovering. Requires a lot of timing.

seems like johnny has changed his commentating style a little bit. giving a lot more compliments, not really talking about himself much at all. i like the new johnny!

Consultants?

The majors thing gets WAY too much hype. While he is still a favourite to match or pass 18 it hardly the only measure. If we won 90 times and only 17 majors could anyone seriously argue he was not GOAT. Of course not.

Uh yes anybody could. There are hard numbers in place. masters at 46. most seconds most thirds.

Tiger is nowhere close to jack in the majors category.

Tiger one of the best sportsmen ever to have competed in any sport

I pity those who don't get the opportunity to appreciate his awesomeness

GOAT AINEC

He could win 200 times and 17 majors and people like BO would still call Jack the GOAT.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people.

Yet Ray Floyd > Phil Mickelson despite

Same # of majors,
Phil has 7 runner ups and 7 3rds, Ray has 5 runner ups and 1 3rd
Phil has won 41 PGA Tour events, Ray won 22

Also anyone wanna take a guess who has the most top 6 finishes in majors since 2009?

Arguing GOAT in sports is probably the most useless thing ever. All you can really do is compare players in same era. Plus who really cares anyway. Not like they make more money or get more titles if it's a consensus GOAT on the internet.

I'd rather be #10 on a GOAT list then argue about it online who is #1 or #2.

Well like I said I tipped it to Ray based on choke factor and winning in four decades.

Also Phil has gotten the least out of his talent than just about anybody. He's not quite Jeff George but it's close.

I don't like people who waste talent.

Winning multiple majors and over 40 times on the PGA Tour is really tough to say he wasted talent. Thats one hell of a career

Based on this metric you ought to love Tiger Woods

Jeff George ITT

Jeff George had an ability. If he had talent he wouldn't be ITT.

I have Tiger number 2 all time. But to call him goat before he is done playing and before he passes all of Jack's records and considering Tiger played 0 great players except maybe Phil it's not even close.

Also he is pure evil as a human. Cusses kids, cheats on wife, never tips, fires anybody who gets any pub and on and on.

Ya Vijay is terrible. 58 wins 3 major

Ernie Els is pretty awful too. 65 wins 4 majors

You may wanna edit this. If Leoslayer sees it, he'll call Jack the biggest choker ever. And you DO NOT want him to go down that road....

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant, common.

Irrelevant, common.

Irrelevant, common, and false.

Irrelevant, false.

What goes "on and on"...your fallacies?

None of this impacts his GOATness whatsoever. It may impact why you don't like him, but nobody cares why you don't like him. All this does is it shows that you are once again shifting goalposts (like saying only wins matter, then saying 2nds and 3rds matter). If you ask super nicely, you may be able to get a custom undertitle along the lines of "Master Goalpost Shifter".

If you have a belief, you ought to be able to defend it without introducing fallacies. Otherwise, you should maybe re-examine your belief.

Josh

You forget the PED's

well josh ill respond to u tomorrow when im not doing 80 in the car

He's talking about Tiger, not Jack.

Be safe, now. Be logical tomorrow. Then (and only then) will there be grounds for a discussion.