IDK he appeared to flinch as it moved, never summoned an official or one of his playing partners. And he knows the cameras are always on him so when something seems this obvious I would think he would err on the side of full disclosure.

I agree the phone-in calls are really stupid too though.

I totally deserved that

Yes the mud stain moves, but the ball does not change locations. That would qualify as oscillating. The rule says if it moves you can put it back to its original position for a one stroke penalty, instead of the two he incurred. Where was he supposed to move it "back" to? Its in the same location, the ball just turns about 5/360 of a degree.

I don't think you understand 'oscillating' as its used by the pga.

agreed.
although i think that the real issue here is that a "fan" video was even allowed to be brought forward for review in the first place.
if tiger would have thought the ball changed position, he would have called the penalty on himself. i really believe that. when you bring a zoom in from a bystander in to the equation it just gets stupid.

edit: this same situation has likely happened many times w/o a spectator zoomed in...would love to see how long boo weekly laughed if he were faced with the same situation

How can a ball turn and not change position while on a horizontal surface?

A fan video? The video is from an official PGA Tour videographer!

These two posts are deserving of the Picard/Riker double facepalm.

BO

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Even the old men from the PGA got this one right. Not a good look for you guys.

Sweetness! I suppose it would have been apropos had I said, "Make it so".

BO

lol u win...didn't realize it was from an official pga videographer.
ball moved and tiger knew it. glad he got busted.

So you guys are saying Tiger doesn't understand EV? He could take the one stroke penalty and go from there, or he could risk it and go for 0 strokes. No way he gets away with it more than 50%. -EV play.

You're right I doubt he makes that same decision from the middle of the fairway. wink wink.

I only caught the end of the Zach Johnson confrontation. Can anyone explain what happened?

TIA

I think it's funny that the Tiger nuthuggers are going to bat so hard for Tiger after this. It's really embarassing.

You all should probably sit this one (and all future ones) out because this is what... the 4th rules infraction controversy on him this season? The nits at home sitting by the phone are gunning for him. Nobody is eager to look for Webb Simpson violations because he doesn't have a repeated history of gross negligence with regard to the rules. Webb actually penalized himself and lost a tournament because of it. People are gunning for Tiger now, apparently, because he's an easy target.

He should probably just follow the rules and none of this would matter. As it stands, all the benefit he's getting from having his fanboiz move 2 ton stones or kick his ball back into the fairway from jail is being negated by his gross negligence with regard to the rules.

After he stroked his putt some drunken Cubs fan clearly yells "Zach, you SUCK!", then he gives the "zip it" gesture.

I was going to say the fans this week have been pretty unruly. Do they still think this is Medinah 2012 (where that stuff was slightly more acceptable)?

I'm surprised this whole Tiger thing isn't drawing more attention/discussion. I think it looks REALLY bad for him.

all shots should be subject to instant reply. we can just give each player a red flag or something to toss and challenge shots.

tour players cannot be trusted. a game like golf would never work on the honor system.

Do we know if Tiger called for official video of the incident after the round or not? Because there's no point in calling an official over during the first hole and it's just going to cause a cluster**** for everyone right away. I'm pretty sure he would say something before he signed his card.

Tiger explained himself clearly in a post-round interview yesterday. He said the ball oscillated and returned / stayed in its original position. Why would he need to speak to or seek out an official before signing his card? If Tiger thought a penalty was warranted, he would have called one on himself (those thinking otherwise are sorely mistaken and just haterz of the GOAT).

Before the 2013/2014 PGA Tour season starts October 7, the Tour needs to create a rule that says only the player, his playing partner(s), their caddies and any walking official(s) of a group can call a penalty (or call for a rules official). I'm not sure why they haven't already made this change that is clearly best for the game. Leave the armchairs QBs at home out of the game -- where they belong.

This is hilariously awful trolling, but nice try.

It's fun when Tiger brings out the worthless trolls, make this place a whole lot worse.

Keep trolling bro.

hey, im in agreement the ball could have looked like it oscillated from his pov. it took me 2-3 looks at the vid to notice that the ball looked like it moved down by a mm or something. it didnt go forward or backward but kinda sunk. if anything it gave him a worse lie. even when a ball is sitting in the rough and it oscillates when club is grounded it never returns to the exact same spot. under a microscope it would have changed positions. grass is not a uniform substance like memory foam.

however we dont live in a perfect world and life sure as hell ain't fair. unfortunately tiger has to play by a different set of rules. because of this he should know that he has to go the extra mile, living under the microscope. i feel even if he 100% believed he thought it oscillated he should have had official come over to acknowledge his judgment and decision of what he thought he saw. this way it will make the pga officials look like the clowns to come with some video after the fact. if it continues just keep holding up rounds until the idiots make some official rules about armchair qbing messing up the game. it is really getting out of hand.

anyways they probably wont change the rules cuz it gets more ratings by allowing tiger haters to stay glued to the tv screen trying to catch tiger "cheating"

Exactly. I'd like to know where he is suppose to move it back to. I'd also like to see a replay of everyone who hit it in the water on 15 ( at Augusta) and see if they dropped correctly to the inch. And I want lasers so I know they are dropping exactly on there point of entry. Or god forbid they play nearest to there last location and not be in their exact divot.

I love how Watney was getting dap from Chamblee for calling the penalty on himself like anybody in their right mind is gonna let a ball moving go after this hail storm. Thursday in the Podunk open with 15 people in the crowd I bet there is lots of oscillating when pros are in the trees or the hay. And if the ball doesn't really change position pretty sure nobody gives a flying ****

I'm not sure why this penalty against your hero has gotten you in such a hissy fit, but you are certainly wrong about this and I don't think anyone of relevance will agree with you. The whole point is, he touched something that was touching his ball and it moved. That's the risk you take when you attempt to move debris away from your ball. He knows that. He took the risk and failed. The rules are the same for everyone. If he hadn't have tried to move the twig, no penalty. Very simple.

no one is arguing that the ball didnt move. tiger said he saw the ball move. from his pov he thought it oscillated. it took a zoom camera by officials with multiple viewings to conclude it didnt oscillate. he tried to move a twig in front of the ball but noticed that if he did, the ball would have rolled forward. so he left it there. u can argue that his judgement of the ball moving was or was not oscillating, but he is not trying to lie and say the ball didnt move. he said that he thought it did not move off its position.

for agruements sake lets say he called an official over and said he saw the ball move when he trying to move a twig but from his judgment it just oscillated and didnt move off its og position. what is supposed to happen then. should he wait to see what vids are available to confirm this. if non is available at the time then what. should he wait and hold up the entire round until all recordings are made available to see if he should asses himself a 1 shot penalty. after all if he doesnt return the ball to its og position he gets a 2 stroke penalty.

this is hardly a case of tiger cheating to get an unfair advantage over the field. if anything one can argue he has a somewhat liberal definition of oscillating but thats even a stretch because we cant see what he saw from his pov. if ur looking straight down at a ball and it sinks 1mm, its gonna be harder to notice than a video angle from ground level facing horizontally.

had he moved the twig and it made a semi revolution and he didnt say anything, then that would definately be shady.

Tiger should hire Saul Goodman to argue with Slugger White and help get him out of all of these penalties.