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Why are people talking about a cheap hand held camera? This footage was taken by the PGA and was most likely on a tripod. Yes, the camera did move, but the ball clearly moved also.

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09-14-2013 , 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gusmahler

Why are people talking about a cheap hand held camera? This footage was taken by the PGA and was most likely on a tripod. Yes, the camera did move, but the ball clearly moved also.

I've worked as a camera operator. As far as I can tell that is a hand held shot. I would be shocked if that was taken from a tri-pod. With all the jerking zooms and jerking motion. It is very likely an amateur camera man with cheap equipment.

When you take a 3 dimensional world and put it in a 2 dimensional frame, things look vastly different. If the camera moves up. It can appear as if the ball rolls down. What I am saying is, as the ball moves down the camera jerks right and then upward. With this camera shot, it is not possible to prove the ball did not return to it's original position.

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09-14-2013 , 01:28 PM

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oh man Team Tiger bringing the ****ing lolz itt. denial, straw-grasping and even BOOHOO THE RULES SHOULDN'T BE ENFORCED VIA TV

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09-14-2013 , 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by powder_8s

You must have never seen hand-held footage before. While there is some movement, an amateur hand-held shot would be moving 10x more than that clip did. Yes, the zooms are bad, but the operator probably assumed that any zooms would be edited out of the finished product, not that the raw footage would be used for rules enforcement.

Plus, the article states, "The infraction was captured by a PGA TOUR Entertainment crew." Not some dude with an iPhone.

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09-14-2013 , 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by powder_8s

When you take a 3 dimensional world and put it in a 2 dimensional frame, things look vastly different. If the camera moves up. It can appear as if the ball rolls down. What I am saying is, as the ball moves down the camera jerks right and then upward. With this camera shot, it is not possible to prove the ball did not return to it's original position.

lolll

nah, you absolutely can.

but yes if it makes you feel better the camera operator was likely part of an anti-Tiger cabal and purposely kept an unsteady hand in that exact moment to simulate the movement of Tiger's ball -- BACK, AND TO THE LEFT (but then back up and to the right because it oscillated!)

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09-14-2013 , 01:53 PM

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I have the feeling "PGA Tour Entertainment crew" *is* some dude with an iPhone

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09-14-2013 , 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin

Mark Wilson, Tom Kite, Carl Petterson.

I was in Mark's group one year and his wife walked 18 with him so probably not Mark

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09-14-2013 , 02:21 PM

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Justin Rose just got a 1 stroke penalty. In the fairway taking a practice swing behind his ball and a chunk of divot shoots right into the ball and knocks it forward. He instantly drops the club and can't believe it. I've seen guys hit their ball while taking a practice swing beside it but death by divot from behind, wow that's some run bad.

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09-14-2013 , 02:22 PM

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Lol Justin Rose... takes a practice swing behind the ball... takes a divot.... divot hits ball... stands there in disbelief of his stupidity.... takes penalty.... obv

edit.... slow pony.... obv

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09-14-2013 , 02:26 PM

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wtf is Notah Begay the only one that Tiger will let follow him

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09-14-2013 , 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LIL Kicky

wtf is Notah Begay the only one that Tiger will let follow him

Notah's vision isn't that great.

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09-14-2013 , 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LIL Kicky

wtf is Notah Begay the only one that Tiger will let follow him

Nah only @GCTigerTracker has that right

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09-14-2013 , 02:50 PM

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Should be noted and xposted to 59 thread that smiling Matty Kuchar shot 61 earlier today.

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09-14-2013 , 02:51 PM

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LolSneds

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09-14-2013 , 03:02 PM

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Finally saw the video and Tiger definitely saw the ball move and settle in a new location.

LOL @ thinking otherwise. You can even tell by how he freezes like "oh **** it just moved", then moves on with his life like nothing happened.

Defending Tiger here is not a good look.

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09-14-2013 , 03:13 PM

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pretty impressive comeback for tiger going down

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09-14-2013 , 03:18 PM

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Tiger GOATing - gonna lose tourney by 1.

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09-14-2013 , 03:25 PM

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Man, that story they just told of TW having to see the video three times before agreeing it moved is pretty ugly.

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09-14-2013 , 03:26 PM

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GOAT confirmed pissed, may birdie out career

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09-14-2013 , 03:49 PM

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Nice bounce off the gallery for TW

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09-14-2013 , 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin

yea, at first I figured it was plausible in real time from his angle he may not have seen it move or it may have appeared to oscillate back to its original position, but that noticeable hesitation his body has once it moves makes it pretty obvious he knows what happened.

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09-14-2013 , 04:45 PM

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100% that ball moved; not sure how he could have missed it.

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09-14-2013 , 04:52 PM

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Someone yelled "go Tiger" during Sergio's backswing, clearly on purpose. Ban that idiot for life, so effing stupid.

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09-14-2013 , 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MinusEV

Those are bad analogies that have little or no relevance.

Unless someone loses points because someone called in hours after the game to point out something nobody noticed, or could be expected to notice, at the time, this can't be compared.

I agree. But that's not what you said. You said, "other sports do not penalise athletes for meaningless details that does not improve or change the athletes position and/or chances and that the athlete in many cases has little or no possibility of knowing happened at all." The difference between an offside trap that works and one that doesn't can be inches. A lot of times, when someone scores, they immediately look to the assistant ref to see if they were offside. IOW, "they had little or no possibility of knowing it happened at all."

But I agree that it's not really comparable to what happened to TW. I was just nitting the thread up. Sorry.

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09-14-2013 , 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bwslim69

100% that ball moved; not sure how he could have missed it.

nobody is saying the ball didn't move. did it end up in a different position ... that is the question.

lol @ ppl saying Tiger wouldn't call a penalty on himself ... there is a video camera / cameras on him at all times when he is on the property of a golf course (the only time he isn't being filmed is probably when he is on the ****ter in the clubhouse).

dat a boy Tiger ... nice birdie finish.

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