FWIW, the PGA Tour POY (the one voted on by peers) is the only award that matters in the eyes of the players.
Regardless, barring a major winner claiming two of the FedEx Cup events and the Cup itself, Tiger deserves to win the vote.
The one voted on by the players has matched the points based PoY 20 years in a row.
Under your hypothetical, Tiger might still be winning the points race, but it'd be hard to vote against Phil or Scott having a major and 2 FedEx Cup wins, even if they trail Tiger by 4 points. So there may be a split of the PoY awards.
Subjectivity as well as personal bias and politics is always better than a pre-conceived points system.
It's funny because if you read articles about the PoY race, they'll list their reasons for putting Phil or Scott first and basically say Tiger doesn't deserve it because no majors. But if you look at any objective measure of the season, whether its wins, money, average, FedEx points, World Golf Ranking, President's Cup, Player of the Year points, etc. it's not even close--Tiger is in front of all those categories, all but the FedEx points by quite a bit (and even there, it required quintuple points for Scott to come within 200 points of Tiger).
Yeah. It's pretty funny that "the only thing mattering" would be something the players would put like 2 minutes of thought into, rather than a god damn preconceived objective points system that doesn't know or care about the color of a player's skin or his own goal of surpassing 18 majors.
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To be fair, I don't think it's a race thing. I think it's just that the expectations for Tiger are so high that he's held to a higher standard than other golfers.
Let's say Tiger missed this season and the case for player of the year was between 2 win Phil, 2 win Scott, and 5 win Matt Kuchar (or Bubba or Furyk, it doesn't really matter who it is). People would snap vote for Kuchar. Heck, they voted for Luke Donald in 2011 who also led in money and avg, but only had 2 wins and only led in money by $300k, instead of $3M.
Yes but is there anything wrong with a person thinking Phil should be POY?
I heard one guy praising his performance this weekend, saying it's another feather in his cap for player of the year. Apparently, he didn't notice that Phil finished behind the other top contenders for PoY.
Though I do agree I give more weight to the players vote than the point system.
I was kidding. Players are pretty dumb and really biased when it comes to judging their colleagues. A preconceived point system (thought not the dumb FedEx 5x point system) is way more accurate than what Billy Bob Billiams thinks after 18 seconds of thought.
"Dag nabbit I saw Phil hit one've the purdiest shots of all time this year. He was down by 6 shots with 3 to play and he had a lie tighter than Sister Anne's **** and he was ohhh 'bout 30-40 yards out with a bunker 'tween him an' 'nat there flagstick. He pulls out a club with loft about ohh seventy...maybe seventy-five degrees and holds that clubhead more open than Linsday Lohan's ****. He brings that dang club back past parallel and flops that sucker on the green floppier than Betty White's ****. Ball settles about 7 feet from the hole. Phil goes on to almost make that par putt, and pars home to lose by 7. Was glorious. I didn't see Tiger or Adam hit no shot close to that there shot all season, ya hear me boy?"
Players are pretty dumb and really biased when it comes to judging their colleagues. A preconceived point system (thought not the dumb FedEx 5x point system) is way more accurate than what Billy Bob Billiams thinks after 18 seconds of thought.
I don't think we can have it both ways. The players can't be voting for what the point system says for 20 straight years or whatever AND also be really biased and way less accurate than the same point system
The players would not vote for Phil or Adam now, the talk should be in the context of what would happen if Phil ends up with 3 wins, the Open, and the FedEx cup and Tiger ends up with 5 wins, the players, the money title, the scoring title.
I think Phil might have the stronger case if he pulls that off, especially considering if he wins the FEC he will have won more money even if not more official money.
Maybe your monolouge could be Boo Williams after spending 4 hours next to John Daly at Hooters but I think the rest of them are actually pretty thoughtful about these things
Yeah I mean I guess they've voted "correctly" for 20 years running. I'm just lol'ing at the idea that players' post-season votes carry more water than the pre-season objective scoring system. This is almost never going to be the case, because of bias.
But BO said the players' votes are all that matter. I guess because they know the game. I didn't see a computer out there fighting it out with Adam Scott at Augusta National, dag nabbit!
Dude. I know what I said. He was down 2 shots with 2 to play and I said he'd birdie 17 then hole out on his 2nd shot (note I said 2nd shot here instead of just hole out from the fairway - which could be his 2nd OR 3rd if it were a par 5) from the fairway to win by 2.
Yes, I was wrong. I wasn't paying that close attention. Better attack my math skills to feel better about living in Oklahoma.
This convo has gotten pretty stupid, I'm not sure what point Gus is trying to prove. If the season ended right now every single player would vote Tiger as POY. There's a reason why the POY's have been the same the past 20 years, the players are not stupid. They know who is deserving amongst their peers.
He plays well at this tourney (1st, 2nd, 3rd, and two 11ths). Though he also plays well at the BMW (two firsts, 15th, and 4th).
(I assume) Tiger plays other tournaments for a variety of reasons - he's competitive, he respects Jack and Arnie and plays their tournaments, he wants FedEx Cup points and the chance at POY, he needs competitive practice for the majors, etc. I seriously doubt it's for the $1.1mm in prize money up top, though I could be wrong. Though it appears he's planning on playing this week. I'd guess it's still for the chance at the FedEx Cup and POY honors, though I could be wrong and maybe he just really wants an extra million bucks.
And fwiw, I think Tiger has played well the Deutsche Bank more because he plays well everywhere and less because the course suits him - moreso than any of the other playoff events, I always think of this event as more of a short/accurate player's course, kinda like the John Deere. A Stricker/Donald/ZJohnson-type course. I predict Spieth Top-5's it, and look for Graham DeLaet to put up another Top-10 as well - that guy has been crazy accurate all season.
The Deutsche Bank is run by the Tiger Woods foundation and he donates all of his winnings from the tournament, like he also does with the AT&T and the Chevron. To pull out this week he'd have to be feeling like complete **** I'd imagine. He's given away like $15 million in those 3 tournaments alone. He's playing for another $1.44 million towards his foundation this weekend.
Plus I'm sure he doesn't want to get passed up in points by that dickbag Stevie.