I'm not sold on steve flesch

#5 at 527 leaves most of the field hitting 3 wood off the tee as is already so you can’t really move the tees up and accomplish anything. From there is it a dumb split fairway that really serves no purpose other than to help out people who hit a bad tee shot and are blocked out because you have to hit it a perfect distance off the tee to get it around the corner. So it is just a bad hole with current technology.
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#11 also has a creek cutting across the fairway at 320 per the scorecard on PGAtour.com so you can’t move the tees up there to create a par 4 but you also have a pretty boring par 5. Again, just due to technology.

#15 looks like you have to walk single file down the fairway it is so narrow between the tree canopy. Even the PGAtour.com description says “An unusual par 5….not to mention the trees crowding in left and right”.

18 is just a rinky dink 444 yard par 4 that again due to technology is just meh. Can’t really get aggressive on the hole as it is just too penal to take the risk so you wind up hitting something short off the tee but you have to get it past the tree on the inside corner or you are blocked out.

The entire course just seems small and dated IMO. Looks like Hilton Head where it is just too confining for major championship golf. Again, I haven’t watched much of it but from what I have seen it just seems a little Mickey Mouse to me.

And to the question of you don’t have to change the par 5’s…apparently the USGA thinks you do. The last time an Open was held on a par 72 was Pebble Beach in 1992 which they changed to a par 71 the next time they played there.

Amazing the guy is almost in last place and they still show almost every shot Guess that tells us his star power

oops 70th position

O/U number of shots they show of Tiger from today's round on CBS coverage

77?

Really putting on a show here on 10 Kev.

Show some golf CBS

Tiger's BACK

kooch da pooch is just a plodder. he plods, ploddingly. innit.

Kuchar is the man.

nice win. sick putt. will probably celebrate w some goose.

Really enjoyed Tiger's interviews after rounds 3 and 4

Fyp. I mean my old roommate is his caddy and I can't even root for him he is so dull.

ship is right, the par fives suck and can't be turned into par fours with the possible exception of 15

that said, would still be interesting to see the course with a major setup, i.e. tight fairways and rock hard greens.

but generally, yes, the course is dated. holes that were meant to be driver/mid-iron are now 3 wood/wedge (1,2,6,9,13,17,18). and they can't fix it because they just don't have the land.

Shave some of the slopes off the greens would make it interesting also

Kuchar could have given TIGOAT 2 shots a side all week.

Torrey Pines 2008?

Wiki shows Tiger at -1 283. Could be wrong obv, but that was the source I was using. I don't remember personally.....but I do remember the 72nd hole.

Thanks for the insight ship. Yeah I haven't been on the property and am not familiar with it and how much room there is to make adjustments. If it's not possible then that's that.

They might have made 6 a par 4 and I forgot. I thought I remembered them talking about it being the first par 72 layout in a while, but could be off. Either way I agree with your point regarding Muirfield village not being fit for an Open.

This can win you a US Open, one of which I think might be right around the corner.

Erin Hills will HAVE to be a 72 unless they decide to push one of the par 5 tees up 100 yds, every par 5 is 600+ from the tips

I think Torrey was definitely a par 71

ETA: Yep

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/pla...recard/2008/24

Erin Hills opened in 2006. Not exactly a pre technology design.

Didn't they just play the us am a couple years ago?