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09-12-2013 , 10:24 PM
I cannot afford to get mad in this forum so no I am not mad. The last 2 times I've been banned on 2p2 were for:

Exiled from OOT for defending my owning of cheap televisions in a FRUGAL thread. While multiple other posters were destructive and constantly attacked me.
2-day ban from Golf for defending my usage of a 3iron, from a mod who admittedly didn't even read the thread, but instead chose to trust some guy nobody has heard of with 400 posts reporting me because he thought I "must be trolling". While I was simply defending myself (and a few people actually agreed with me).

I'm not talking about Rory anymore. I said my case. I just think winning 2 majors by 8 shots apiece in THIS era (after bouncing back from a dreadful Masters - remember what people were saying about him after that??? I can quote posts......) is a level of talent that is truly uncommon. Think about this: If you think he's 2 strokes per round worse now than he was just 1 year ago...he would still be a serious threat to win majors.

I will gladly bet my LIFE that he'll never reach 78 wins and 14 majors like Tiger, because with the parity on Tour now (and, presumably, in the future) is too strong. I never meant to imply he was JACK or TIGER but he is definitely a threat to win more majors that's for sure. And his ceiling is still like 6-10 majors minimum.
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09-12-2013 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Your Boss
Care to point out a single fact in your post? Looks like some random assertions with a dash of opinion.

Anyway...Carve out 2012 and take a look at his stats.

Here's a preview: 53 starts, 2 wins on the PGA Tour. 110 starts, 3 wins on the LOLeuro Tour.

GOATish
Facts?? How about naming golfers with a better record than him at his age? Work on that for me will ya.

Then in your "fact" finding mission you want to "Carve out 2012" like it never happened? You are seriously laughable at this point and not worth arguing with. period.
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09-12-2013 , 10:29 PM
ARC, you didn't seem mad. Everlastrr and BO seemed mad.

Everyone is reading too much into my Rory posts fwiw.
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09-12-2013 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
Facts?? How about naming golfers with a better record than him at his age? Work on that for me will ya.

Then in your "fact" finding mission you want to "Carve out 2012" like it never happened? You are seriously laughable at this point and not worth arguing with. period.
Multiple question marks, lots of quotations? Def mad.

The 2012 thing is pretty straightforward. The vast majority of his success came in that year. The other 4-5 years aren't really great. When my point is that it's possible that Rory had an epic stretch of run good and that his true talent level is something closer to every other year he's played, carving that year out makes great sense.
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09-12-2013 , 10:34 PM
Just back away, just back away.
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09-12-2013 , 10:34 PM
Because 2012 was the "flash in the pan" point. He had a really great year, and when you take that out it's been a very bland career for someone named the next GOAT. He flashed very hard in that pan.
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09-12-2013 , 10:43 PM
Ever, here's some more facts for you to chew on:


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Originally Posted by Your Boss
Rory peeps,

This is generally a data driven forum, no? So show your work. I'll start. Using data from 2009 through today, Rory has:

Averaged 96th in Total Driving, peak of 21st
Averaged 81st in Greens in Regulation, peak of 28th
Averaged 115th in Scrambling, peak of 33rd
Averaged 124th in Strokes Gained Putting, peak of 82nd

He doesn't do anything really well. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many players with comparable stats across their career who won multiple majors. Which makes it more likely that he just ran super hot for a period of time.

Your argument is basically RANGZ THO.
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09-12-2013 , 10:52 PM
You are brushing off Rory's age thing like its the same to be a rookie on tour at 19 as it is at 27 and to win majors at 22-23 as it is 33-35. For that to be true you must have cracked the key to human development and evolution. I'd put the odds about the same that you have done this and that you are right in this argument. gn and gl.
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09-12-2013 , 10:55 PM
So I assume that means you are just going to ignore the facts in my couple of posts re: record and stats?

FWIW, I agree 100% with that post of yours. It is different and it is super impressive what he's done. That doesn't change a single thing that I've posted.
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09-12-2013 , 10:57 PM
Look at it this way.. Tiger didn't win any majors this year.. But he was always there. Rory just wasn't even on the map.
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09-12-2013 , 10:59 PM
Averages are one thing but the argument that his game is swingy like Phil might hold some water. Doesn't matter how many cuts he misses if his A+ game is crushing everyone by multiple strokes. Phil's played like garbage some this year but then he's also scared 59 in 2 different rounds and put in a highly memorable finishing round at the Open. Who cares what his bad rounds look like.

IIRC, Phil in Arizona looked insane. And he was talking about how great his driver was. Then IIRC the next tourney he couldn't hit a fairway and he's shelved his driver for several tournies since.
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09-12-2013 , 11:01 PM
I also don't think any of the Rory detractors would be AT ALL shocked if Rory won 3 tournies next year including The Masters by 4 strokes. The narrative would simply switch to "well I was wrong - he just had a down year - it happens." Which is understandable. Way more understandable than the narrative that his 2012 can't ever happen again.
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09-12-2013 , 11:06 PM
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If you can't see that Rory is more a Phil Mickelson type (runs hot and cold) than a Tiger Woods type (keeps his level up most of the time) I don't know what to tell you. If you put Rory's major over/under at anything less than 5 you are idiot. The kid is a born winner and natural talent. Simple as that. His accomplishments at his age are nothing short of astounding and put him into a category today that not 5 other golfers in history can match. (and 5 is a stretch)
Over under 5. From here on out or total that is an absurd absurd number.

LOLOLOLOL
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09-12-2013 , 11:11 PM
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I also don't think any of the Rory detractors would be AT ALL shocked if Rory won 3 tournies next year including The Masters by 4 strokes. The narrative would simply switch to "well I was wrong - he just had a down year - it happens." Which is understandable. Way more understandable than the narrative that his 2012 can't ever happen again.
Well, I would be surprised, but I don't think it's out of the question. He's obviously proven he can get hot. This is simply a question of which is closer to his true talent level? 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013 OR 2012? I think it's looking more and more like the former.
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09-12-2013 , 11:11 PM
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Over under 5. From here on out or total that is an absurd absurd number.

LOLOLOLOL
Born winner tho.

I mean, he won the West of Ireland Championship as an amateur. Twice. Twice!!!
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09-12-2013 , 11:20 PM
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Born winner tho.

I mean, he won the West of Ireland Championship as an amateur. Twice. Twice!!!
9 wins in 160 career professional starts is GOATish tho right? Of course he ran great in that 2 happened to be majors.

And of course at his age he almost certainly has more professional starts than anyone of all time so he got a huge advantage in trying to measure similarities.
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09-12-2013 , 11:26 PM
Can anyone comment on who the hardest workers are on tour?
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09-12-2013 , 11:27 PM
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Over under 5. From here on out or total that is an absurd absurd number.

LOLOLOLOL
Tiger's nuts are getting cold bro, don't you have a job to do?

You post some interesting stats once in while I'll give you that, but otherwise nothing I don't already know. The rest of your "response" posts are so tainted by your Tiger love the rest of what you say is white noise.

2 majors in his first 5 years on tour and 3 or 4 in his next 20? How could I be so absurd? lol ok.
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09-12-2013 , 11:32 PM
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Can anyone comment on who the hardest workers are on tour?
Caddies.

BO
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09-12-2013 , 11:34 PM
And of course for perspective. Rory will turn 25 next May. At best he will have 3 majors.

Tiger's achievements at age 25
25 PGA Tour wins in 90 starts
5 majors
2 WGCs
2 EuroTour wins

But now I see where people are seeing Rorys resemblance.


You guys are spot on. Next GOAT
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09-12-2013 , 11:42 PM
Just another lock for Tiger. Rory won't catch his stats by 25.
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09-12-2013 , 11:44 PM
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Tiger's nuts are getting cold bro, don't you have a job to do?

You post some interesting stats once in while I'll give you that, but otherwise nothing I don't already know. The rest of your "response" posts are so tainted by your Tiger love the rest of what you say is white noise.

2 majors in his first 5 years on tour and 3 or 4 in his next 20? How could I be so absurd? lol ok.
That's fine. I'd love for you to point out past/future biases that aren't established from facts.

Also 2 majors in 5 years. Woah. For the record, of all golfers who have won 2 professional majors(34), more than 75% of them won them in a 5 year period. Only 8 didn't.

Of course I'm in the camp that doesn't give a whole lot of weight to age, but rather to experience, and Rory has plenty of that with nowhere near GOATish results.
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09-12-2013 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
And of course for perspective. Rory will turn 25 next May. At best he will have 3 majors.

Tiger's achievements at age 25
25 PGA Tour wins in 90 starts
5 majors
2 WGCs
2 EuroTour wins

But now I see where people are seeing Rorys resemblance.


You guys are spot on. Next GOAT
Glad to see you are working on those nuts. Right on cue

I only said he would get to those majors and is not a flash in the pan. I never said ANYTHING about GOAT or Tiger but of course YOU did. No surprise there.
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09-12-2013 , 11:53 PM
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Glad to see you are working on those nuts. Right on cue

I only said he would get to those majors and is not a flash in the pan. I never said ANYTHING about GOAT or Tiger but of course YOU did. No surprise there.
Hey bro, not every one of my posts is directed at you. Sorry for Mocking the Rory GOATers
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09-12-2013 , 11:54 PM
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