Don't play the ****ing victim. You attack people more than anyone around here.

And why do you refuse to try to understand how betting lines work? It's annoying for people to A) continually have to correct and try to educate you and B) for you to continually ignore said attempts while spouting the same nonsense week after week.

Is it really that unreasonable to say people are over valuing the favorite? (I have no real knowledge of sportsbetting. At the same time, 10:1 seemed decent earlier in the year.)

I think it's Phil or Tiger's PGA. Can someone start a thread, please.

The Jordan speech is gold. It's a big "**** you" to the ones who didn't believe in him or never respected him. It's an "I destroyed and humiliated you. I've always been the GOAT. Eat ****."

It's exactly what Tiger exudes every second since his world fell apart and the haters arose. He's not saying these things because he's insecure. He's saying these as a **** you to the haters. It's an "I was the GOAT, I'm still the GOAT, and I'll always be the GOAT."

I don't know how he holds it back so well. It has to be so insulting to his competitive spirit when he constantly gets asked about playing well like it's some sort of surprise. Simply saying "Well, I've played like this before and have been in this spot many times" is so reserved that I have to imagine his head will explode soon if he has to keep it that toned down. Maybe he'll wait till he's 50 like Jordan to tell everyone to **** themselves, though.

Is it any wonder why I think your posts are idiotic?

It's not, but it is unreasonable to continually deal in absolutes citing unquantifiable evidence. People probably do overvalue Tiger as the favorite, but no reasonable sports bettor would gaff at Pinnacle giving Tiger a 20.7% chance to win the PGA when he's been running at 26.7% in tour events the past two seasons.

Bo, you misunderstood. I meant if you had to pick one golfer for the remainder of the year with the best shot to win on a week to week basis would you pick anyone other than TIGAH?

Also, perfectly said.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

This.

Also has Tiger been better than 4:1 to win a tournament yet? I don't think so, but maybe he was for Augusta. Either way he's 5 for 11 this year on Tour, so the bookmakers are 100% losing on Tiger Woods this year.

And for the last 2 years hes 8 for 30, and again I doubt his average odds have been worse than 4:1, so you are in the green if you bet Tiger in every event.

Lastly, I will call anyone an idiot who thinks that anyone else who tee's it up has a better chance of winning on a given week than Tiger. And unlike Bo, I am willing to put up a lot of $ to prove how big of an idiot you really are.

5 of the top 10 (including World #1 and World #2) hail from the USA.

and an American went to St. Andrews and came back with a trophy. Yanks squarely back on top.

Tiger Woods - 18 WGC victories

The #2 through #50 golfers in the WGR - 17 WGC victories*

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*I saw this stat on twitter and did not fact check.

No humility really chaps my ass

LFG

I saw this and was going to make this post: "Nobody debates your golf knowledge... it's everything else you say (probability, sports-betting, etc.) that gets attacked."

Then I read down a few posts and he makes another monumentally and fundamentally wrong declaration about sports betting. And people are attacking him.

LOL BO. This is why people type "LOL BO".

I'm sure you could write a book about how to hit every golf shot, and some of the favorite holes you've played in your life, and people you've played with, and write it eloquently enough (and have it edited by a non-negative person) that I'd gladly read it. I don't think anyone disputes that.

But this is a GAMBLING forum first and foremost. The golf portion is what's called a sub-forum. You simply cannot come to a gambling forum and call people who understand how lines and speculation works "idiots" while being fundamentally wrong. We can't let you get away with that.

How do you not understand that after Tiger wins another major, his betting lines will get worse? It's new market knowledge and it adds money to his side from people like you who underrated him prior. You don't wait for the market to react before you throw money down. Speculation is about thinking the current market is wrong and putting your money down to exploit a small edge. If you wait - you die. Now hit the door, pal.

It's clear BO legitimately thinks some Tiger fanboy sitting in vegas chooses the weeks PGA betting lines.

Perhaps, but it's a really awkward and bizarre place to do it, no?

I watched the entire Jordan speech last night and didn't have a problem with it. Of course he's a total debag, but I liked having the insight into how he actually thinks.

I would love for Tiger to give a speech like that and give his thoughts on Phil, Brandel, Fuzzy, Stephen Ames, Stevie Williams, Hank Haney, etc... and talk about a lot of other grudges we probably don't even know about.

Here are some of my thoughts on Tiger's betting lines.

This week Tiger is what, 5-1? If I think the true line is 25-1, to me that seems like a suicidal wager.

Now, let's assume he wins this week and when the Masters rolls around his odds are 3-1. If I think the true odds are 5-2, to me that seems like a good wager.

So even though in the second example he's a much bigger favorite, I feel it's a much better bet. The 2nd bet is +EV while the 1st is horribly -EV.

So tell me what is wrong with this rationale.

BO

I'm gonna go with the thinking that winning the PGA improves his chances to win the Masters 10 fold

While finishing 2nd would keep his Masters odds in your mind at 25:1.

I cant believe no one has started the Official 2013 PGA Championship thread yet. It has be the least favorite major

Meh, ignore his actual numbers and look at the concept. I get where he is coming from.

BO thinks there is a real fundamental issue with TW in majors that doesn't exist in other events. He might bet on TW at 4-1 at {insert Tour stop here} but wouldn't bet on him at 10-1 at {insert major here} because of that fundamental issue. Others don't agree, and thus BO thinks TW is overvalued in majors right now.

But if TW wins a major, BO then would think that the fundamental issue no longer exists, and thus would be more likely to bet on TW at 3-1 in the next major, even though it's worse odds than the 10-1.

I know I'm in the minority here as Tiger nuthugger who also thinks there is something different (and worse) about him mentally. I don't feel at all comfortable that TW would be able to close out a major right now that isn't a blowout. He might win this week, but I'm in agreement with BO that 5-1 isn't a line I would take.

I kinda feel like Tiger hits a wall mentally post-scandal (whether it be self-doubt, the immense pressure he puts on himself, or something else) -- but once he breaks through (and he will), he'll regain that confidence and dominate again...

I can see this happening.

I would say tiger has a much better chance to win the masters if he ships this week. Maybe not ten fold, but certainly a better chance.

I don't think he has a wall. Has he taken any leads going into Sunday in the majors in the last 5 years and not closed? How many majors in the past did he win when he didn't have a Sunday lead? He hasn't set himself up very well on Saturdays, but he also missed those opportunities in the past.

This 'wall' is just us creating an excuse or false reason for him not winning. Tiger's never been a great player from behind. The only reason he has so many wins is because he crushes fields before Sunday. He doesn't have the comeback gene. You can call that the wall if you want to, but it's not something new.


Edit: He's also similar to MJ in the front-runner mentality. Once they have you down, it's basically over. They step on your throats and keep the pressure on. That's where Tiger excels better than anyone in sports history.

25-1 okay I'll take that on a ban bet.

25 months to you BANNED if Tiger wins
1 month to me BANNED if Tiger loses

It doesn't even make sense I'd just like for you to finally put up or shut up in some shape or form. This isn't even $ either you **** so no excuses, man up