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05-22-2013 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Your Tiger hatred is weird, for being such a balanced guy otherwise.

It's a lot more than a dumb comment. When racist stuff like that slips out of the heat the moment, you can usually bet that's just the tip of the iceberg of what Sergio says when no cameras are around.

Golf will void a player's entire tournament for a leaf falling, that a fan catches on TV two hours after the fact. But apparently open racism is still no biggie.
Different culture hear in Canada I guess.
So my dislike for Tiger for confirmed Cheating on his wife, using prostitutes, and DUI, overall prick on the course and non confirmed items over Sergio's dumb comment in a press conference makes you allowed to dislike Sergio which I do also but not me with Tiger?

Amazes me how I can agree he is the GOAT but just a person I do not admire nor respect yet you guys can do that with Sergio

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so its only a racist comment when you just call him a n#gger?
No not calling him anything and than discriminating on the color of ones skin, heritage or sexual preference is wrong and should never be tolerated as well as racist comments.
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05-22-2013 , 01:07 PM
It's a lot more than a "dumb" comment. Racism shouldn't be tolerated. That Tiger was a scoundrel doesn't have any bearing in that.

Cheating on your wife doesn't hurt society. Bitching after your swing doesn't disenfranchise an entire group of people. Racism does both of those.

Do you hate every other major major public figure who's ever cheated on their wife, gotten a DUI, or acted like a jerk in public? Do you hate the Kennedys?
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05-22-2013 , 04:15 PM
There are like 8 black people in Canada. There are millions in the USA. I'm pretty sure we have a better understanding of what is and isn't racist than Canadians, who are almost never reminded of how wrong their racist comments are. I'm sure if you ask the guys at the lodge on your next ice fishing trip they would agree that there is nothing racist about what Sergio said, 16 years after the exact comment caused a ****storm.
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05-22-2013 , 04:35 PM
Can someone explain why that what Garcia said is racism?
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05-22-2013 , 04:39 PM
Black people enjoy fried chicken. Nothing wrong with that I love fried chicken. But in the USA, a slight against black people is to say something like "fried chicken and watermelon". It's basically a way of saying they are different from other people because they enjoy and eat different food. It's a way to disassociate yourself with black people without actually mentioning skin color. Fuzzy Zoeller added "collard greens". THere are other comments that could be said. "Kool cigarettes" "kool-aid" "pig's feet", etc. all conjure up images of black people in this culture. But fried chicken and watermelon are by far the 2 largest food associations to make in order to be racist.

And that Sergio said this 16 YEARS after the Fuzzy ****storm just goes to show that he did this by design. So it's not only racist but it's hateful, hurtful, and it champions Fuzzy's comment from 1997.

It's somehow worse than saying "I don't like Tiger because he's black." He's actually revelling in Tiger's past plight by recyclying a ****storm comment made almost 2 decades ago. Knowing that we all are aware of it. I'd take him in a death pool because he's probably going to kill himself and create 67 points for some lucky soul.
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05-22-2013 , 05:03 PM
Yeah, I generally can't stand how overly sensitive everyone is these days, but to be a pro golfer and hurl a fried chicken reference at Tiger Woods in the middle of a very public quarrel is unforgivable. The sheer stupidity of the comment is probably the worst part.
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05-22-2013 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DanteA
Can someone explain why that what Garcia said is racism?
it doesnt make sense to most people outside of usa, especially when fried chicken is so good, but...

here in usa its been caricaturized since the time of slavery.



this one is about watermelons but same thing.

watermelons= also very yummy
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05-22-2013 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
There are like 8 black people in Canada. There are millions in the USA. I'm pretty sure we have a better understanding of what is and isn't racist than Canadians, who are almost never reminded of how wrong their racist comments are. I'm sure if you ask the guys at the lodge on your next ice fishing trip they would agree that there is nothing racist about what Sergio said, 16 years after the exact comment caused a ****storm.
Having lived in both countries, I would say, there is a big difference between how white canadians look at black people and how white americans look at black people. Also how black people look at white people in both countries. That difference has nothing to do with there being fewer black people in Canada. Depending where you are in Canada there can be large numbers of dark skin people.

As far as countries that are politicly dominated by white people, Canada is very likely the least racists country against blacks in the world (I can't say this about the whites towards the natives). It dates back to the times of Slavery when Canada had banned slavery and welcomed run away Slaves. There is simply not the history of tension between whites and blacks in Canada that exists in the US. White Canadians don't understand the sensitive state of race relations in the US because we don't have the same racial tension. Black Canadians don't hate the white Canadians either. Thankfully, Canada somehow avoided most of the racial tension between whites and blacks.

Now only if we could do the same with the tension between Christians and Muslims here. It feels like we are fallowing the path of the US to generations of tension there.
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05-22-2013 , 06:11 PM
If Tiger would have said that Sergio can come by anytime for some paella it would have been equally as offensive.

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oh wait
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05-22-2013 , 06:16 PM
This would be like Howard Stern in the year 2026 calling a girls' high school basketball team "nappy-headed hos" then pretending he didn't mean it or know the connotation.
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05-22-2013 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dandys Rule, OK?
If Tiger would have said that Sergio can come by anytime for some paella it would have been equally as offensive.

Spoiler:
oh wait
That is an idiotic comparison. As if Whitey and the N-word are equal? Language carries social baggage, some words more than others. The Fried Chicken comment is code language for the N-word in a world where you can't say the N-word.
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05-22-2013 , 07:58 PM
Sergio said something clearly racist and he knew it. There is no hiding from it. I think it's clear why Tiger does not like Sergio. Maybe Tiger's sense of judgement is getting better after all.

I think the PGA needs to look at this. I would be in favor of a suspension and a large fine for it. There needs to be a zero tolerance policy for saying these things in sports. As an example. Howard Cosell was fired from MNF 30 years ago for saying, "That little monkey gets loose, doesn't he?" while describing a black player.
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05-22-2013 , 08:15 PM
Golf especially should be extremely sensitive to anything potentially racist that puts the sport in a bad light. Of course the same good old boys that had no problem with Augusta having no black members are still running the show. So there's no guarantee that will happen.
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05-22-2013 , 08:19 PM
Tiger doesn't like Sergio because he's a little bitch, not because of his name calling. I would be surprised if Tiger even cared what Sergio said. It's just a good opportunity to make himself look better by calling Sergio out on his stupidity.
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05-22-2013 , 10:25 PM
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That is an idiotic comparison. As if Whitey and the N-word are equal? Language carries social baggage, some words more than others. The Fried Chicken comment is code language for the N-word in a world where you can't say the N-word.
Idiotic, really?

Listen, as a practical matter, it was stupid what Sergio said. I would not say it if I were in his position. I have zero sympathy for him.

However, it is false that fried chicken is a code word for n-word. Sergio was attempting to use stereotyping as humor, which, frankly, is an incredibly dumb thing for a public person with sponsorship deals to do. But what do you expect from pro athletes? They dont make their livings from being smart and funny. But to say that he was thinking n-word while he said fried chicken is a huge stretch.

Moreover, in a vacuum, paella and fried chicken are perfect analogs; they're well known culture food preferences. The social baggage which the words carry is ambiguous. So to claim that a certain person in a certain setting making a fried chicken joke is racist is tough to prove, especially since said person has zero history of any type of behavior that would indicate racism.
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05-22-2013 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dandys Rule, OK?
Idiotic, really?

Listen, as a practical matter, it was stupid what Sergio said. I would not say it if I were in his position. I have zero sympathy for him.

However, it is false that fried chicken is a code word for n-word. Sergio was attempting to use stereotyping as humor, which, frankly, is an incredibly dumb thing for a public person with sponsorship deals to do. But what do you expect from pro athletes? They dont make their livings from being smart and funny. But to say that he was thinking n-word while he said fried chicken is a huge stretch.

Moreover, in a vacuum, paella and fried chicken are perfect analogs; they're well known culture food preferences. The social baggage which the words carry is ambiguous. So to claim that a certain person in a certain setting making a fried chicken joke is racist is tough to prove, especially since said person has zero history of any type of behavior that would indicate racism.
This might be the worst post in this forum today and ARC posts in this forum, so you should feel especially bad.
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05-22-2013 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KenoVictoryLap
This might be the worst post in this forum today and ARC posts in this forum, so you should feel especially bad.
Lol so true.

People who think this isn't racist must not live in the US
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05-22-2013 , 11:35 PM
Dandy, there are 2 ways to answer that question posed by Steve Sands.

Way #1 (The "diplomatic" way) <slight chuckle> "Ahhh, I don't think him and I will be eating dinner together any time soon. <chuckle> I am looking forward to playing at Merion though and I hope I can put together a few good rounds"

Way #2 (Sergio's way) "Yes and I'm going to serve him fried chicken every night."

The question in-and-of-itself has nothing to do with race. But way #2 brings race into the equation without any external prompt. Which means the thought was generated entirely by Sergio's malfunctioning brain and filter. Choosing to say fried chicken is a way in which Sergio gets across that he feels, while not the superior golfer, he is the superior PERSON - a far more important quality. It's as if he's saying "you may have won the battle (golf ability) but you haven't won the war (skin color)."

Like, c'mon son how do you not see how awful this is? Especially since he's recycling a 16 year old comment that caused a ****storm?
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05-22-2013 , 11:41 PM
I'm saying it was incredibly stupid but far from racist, hateful or harmful. Seriously, who besides possibly Tiger was affected by the statement? The people most up in arms are you guys, who I presume are white, middle class and educated.

I promise I wont say another word on the matter though.

Spoiler:
It was also racist when they asked Graeme McDowell if he was going to have a pint of Guiness to celebrate his US Open victory
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05-22-2013 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dandys Rule, OK?

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It was also racist when they asked Graeme McDowell if he was going to have a pint of Guiness to celebrate his US Open victory
Clearly a new high of stupidity on this topic. Please quit trolling.
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05-22-2013 , 11:48 PM
It was a racist remark. That doesn't mean he's racist. People are blowing this way out of proportion. The only reason the tour should suspend him is if they think it will hurt their image if they let him slide. Otherwise just let things be.

Edit: And it actually was racist for them to ask McDowell that. It's a stereotype of his race. Nobody cares about that though which is great, because that allows racism to just fade away. Too bad people can't let that happen with every race. If people just chilled out things would be so much better.

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05-22-2013 , 11:48 PM
I have basically zero white guilt at all and I judge those that do negatively but massive lols at not realizing how wantonly racist this remark was.

Not sure what to make of the G-Mac thing. I know when Clarke won the Open there was a photo of him, Rory, and Clarke all drinking Guinness. I don't recall a photo of Tiger posting a picture of himself and 2 other black golfers holding up fried chicken legs in celebratory fashion after he won the 2008 US Open.

I'm Irish-American and alcoholism jokes don't bother me in the least. You'd have to ask others how they feel about it.
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05-22-2013 , 11:59 PM
I don't know that people are blowing it out of proportion; it was a racist remark made with malicious intent. He was being purposefully malicious using racism as the vehicle for delivering his hate. If taken outside of the context of the past week where Sergio both A) complained, B) kept complaining, C) choked and got destroyed by the player he was complaining about, and D) KEPT COMPLAINING, it would still be bad. But people are utterly sick of Sergio by now, and his latest whining-turned-racism episode is just about the last straw in the court of public opinion
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05-23-2013 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tzwien
It was a racist remark. That doesn't mean he's racist. People are blowing this way out of proportion. The only reason the tour should suspend him is if they think it will hurt their image if they let him slide. Otherwise just let things be.

Edit: And it actually was racist for them to ask McDowell that. It's a stereotype of his race. Nobody cares about that though which is great, because that allows racism to just fade away. Too bad people can't let that happen with every race. If people just chilled out things would be so much better.
lol. reminds me of a david chappelle joke.

to paraphrase:

bitch at the club says, "just because i wear a prostitutes uniform does not make me a hoe." chappelle says, "just because im wearing a police uniform doesnt make me a cop" sure as hell confusing though.
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05-23-2013 , 01:04 AM
Would be hilarious if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson et al made Sergio go on the television apology tour like they did with Michael Richards (Kramer). Just because it would be super awkward and Sergio needs something that awkward to forget about #17 at Sawgrass.
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