Good lord at this discussion. That blimp angle is worthless.

Let's shift topics

Tiger currently converts 54 hole leads at a higher rate than the average PGA Tour player converts 4 foot putts

Discuss

It takes less than a second to turn around Dude. Do you really think that he saw the ball going towards the water and there is ZERO change he turned back around? So, not only is he cheating, he lied about seeing where it crossed, that he didn't even see it land?

Uh, they don't show him turning back around. That's the point. That doesn't meant that he didn't though. Do you really think that he didn't see where it crossed and told everyone that he did, with all of those cameras around?

Do you understand that if the view from the blimp is so distorted (from being right) that it appears the ball went over the trees left of the lake, that it is so distorted that you don't know where it last went over land?

No bitterness. It's frustrating beating sense into some people.

It's amazing how difficult it is to explain this to people. People don't understand how a little angle can make a huge difference from that height.

quit this AIDS discussion of the drop plz.

Well you are arguing with a guy who thinks that given equal technology, Jack would pound it past Tiger.

That's probably all you need to know to waive the white flag on more discussion with him.

FYI if your stance is that tiger turned away and didn't see it, then what is your argument? If he didn't know where the ball went oob, then asked his partner who told him, why would he think any different?

You're saying he didn't see it yet consciously decided to keep drop further up from where it went in. So how?

So, in this thread, we:

1) Blame Tiger's playing partner for the bad drop;
2) Try to show Tiger was clearly following the path of the ball and thus able to assess where it last crossed land, when he clearly turned away and would not be able to do so;
3) Use quotes from second hand witnesses who can't even get their facts right;
4) Throw out shot link as evidence of the ball's distance;
5) Try to show the blimp was not in the general direction of the fairway when it clearly was;
6) Ignore the reporter's immediate observation, and instead rely on a revision of that later after the players consulted on where to drop;
7) Pretend not to know where the reporter's position was at the time the ball was struck;
8) Throw out terms like "simple geometry" but fail to use it to demonstrate how the ball could have crossed as Tiger/Wittenberg claim.

Wow that's gross.

Even if he did quickly turn around (which is unlikely), he would have NOT been able to asses that quickly where the ball crossed. You need to follow the path of the ball to make that assessment. Tiger clearly did not. That much is obvious.

If you did not see him turn around, then you aren't watching the coverage.

Again, the blimp is in the general direction of the fairway. Look at the mowing lines. They are basically in line with the camera. The blimp is right of the ball IN FLIGHT. Can you not understand that simple fact? it explains everything you are trying to construct.

Then you must be pretty tired beating yourself up.

Follow the evidence. Don't use the evidence to fit your flawed conclusion.

lol no

Which can be proven by...?

And you amongst others I assume who could not understand why teeing off #1/10 is faster then teeing off #1. That certainly required a lot of intelligence to figure out.

Maybe you can use your "simple geometry" to explain it then. My money says you can't.

You have some serious observation issues if you cannot discern the blimp was in the general direction of the fairway based on the view of the tee shot.

So for any of those who want to use "simple geometry", please show us where was the blimp (in relation to the orientation of the fairway) when Tiger hit his shot?

Link to the blimp shot?

No doubt it was in general direction. But from 1000 feet up general direction isn't good enough for what you're trying to do.

I did see Tiger turn away, but if all the caddies and casey were good with the drop then there's nothing you can do.

That shot he hit from 253 was unreal. One hell of a recovery. That thing could have gone anywhere.

man it's tough to know whether to LOL more at Sergio, BO, or Roger

Agreed. The conversation is not about a rules violation. It is about how the position was determined and the backtracking that took place. I doubt Sergio would have given Tiger the benefit of that ruling, however, if he were his fellow competitor.

Again, this would probably be treated by NBC crew the same way for any other player. They did not want to get in the way of this getting sorted out by the players. But it was clearly a bad drop.

lol

Yet it shows Tiger's ball going across trees on the other side of the lake....lol wow.

Which proves...that the blimp was right of the ball in relation to the fairway. Not that the blimp was "way right" of the fairway.

Waiting for your use of "simple geometry" to show position of the blimp and that Tiger's drop was not bad.

This is exactly correct. Roger thinks the blimp is exactly in the center of the line of the tees, so it is exact in it's view of the trajectory, despite the fact that it went over trees on the other side of the lake, and despite the fact that when the ball doesn't go exactly straight in line with the blimp, the view is exaggerated.

lol tiger haters

Basically wrong on all accounts.

At least you acknowledge that the blimp was in the general direction of the fairway. Maybe you will get around to believing the ball was left of the fairway when in flight. Then you will finally concede you were wrong all along.

It has nothing to do with Tiger. This can happen to anyone. Can you read?

If that was Jack, he'd be asking why a balloon is flying over the golf course