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03-29-2013 , 06:16 PM
Finally you caught on. Of course there are plenty of other factors that slow play up. I know anytime I play with a gps or rangefinder my round goes faster
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03-29-2013 , 07:12 PM
I cant argue the logic that a rangefinder would cut down on the time it takes for caddies to walk off yardages.

However, I don't think it is an issue that is going to effect the overall pace of play. The caddies already have the yardage before the player is ready to hit.
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03-29-2013 , 07:31 PM
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There are physical aspects to a swing, such as grip, grip strength, stance, take back, follow-through, head position, blah blah blah...

Then you have mental aspects to a swing, things like controlling that grip strength, controlling tempo, controlling emotion and maybe most importantly, that you hear all the time....trusting your swing.

When you trust your swing, which is a mental characteristic of a swing, you swing better.

Players who trust their GPS number will be more likely to trust their swing. I've experienced this first hand on many occasions.
this seems like a stretch. if you want to bring in mental aspects to the swing aid arguement, then why not add getting a good nights rest or getting laid the nite before as a swing aid. youll be relaxed and tense free which will translate into a smoother swing.
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03-29-2013 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mucksandgravs
I cant argue the logic that a rangefinder would cut down on the time it takes for caddies to walk off yardages.

However, I don't think it is an issue that is going to effect the overall pace of play. The caddies already have the yardage before the player is ready to hit.
of course caddies already have the yardages before the player hits. why would the player hit before he got the yardages. whats your point? it still would have taken time for the caddie to walk off the yardage and if the other playing partner is in his line, he has to wait for playing partner to hit before he can walk off the yardage.
or are u saying wherever the player hits the caddie knows the yardage without walking it off? no caddie knows the yardages of every single spot on the hole.
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03-29-2013 , 07:44 PM
although other aspects of a players routine may have more of a direct effect on time, those all involve asking a player to change his habits or characteristics. a range finder is one where a player doesn't have to change his habitual quirks or whatever.
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03-29-2013 , 08:29 PM
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this seems like a stretch. if you want to bring in mental aspects to the swing aid arguement, then why not add getting a good nights rest or getting laid the nite before as a swing aid. youll be relaxed and tense free which will translate into a smoother swing.
When guys are getting blow jobs on the course before shots to relax, I'll agree. For now though, you example equates to practice.

Practice aids your swing. Practice is not a swing aid.
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03-29-2013 , 08:31 PM
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of course caddies already have the yardages before the player hits. why would the player hit before he got the yardages. whats your point? it still would have taken time for the caddie to walk off the yardage and if the other playing partner is in his line, he has to wait for playing partner to hit before he can walk off the yardage.
or are u saying wherever the player hits the caddie knows the yardage without walking it off? no caddie knows the yardages of every single spot on the hole.
In some cases, the caddy won't even have to walk the yardages, its in his book.

I used to caddie and my guy would have me walk off the yardage and we would also use the laser. That laser can malfunction. Maybe you can accidentally shoot a tree directly behind the flag. maybe a spectator instead of the flag. The pro is going to make the caddy walk off the yardage, regardless if they implement lasers or not.
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03-29-2013 , 08:38 PM
Whats next? Should they be able to ride in golf carts too? Surely that will speed it up.
Those on the side of allowing rangefinders to speed up play. Whats the rush?

The people complaining on tour about the pace of play are the fast players or the ones that think they're fast, but are actually slow.

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03-29-2013 , 08:41 PM
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In some cases, the caddy won't even have to walk the yardages, its in his book.

I used to caddie and my guy would have me walk off the yardage and we would also use the laser. That laser can malfunction. Maybe you can accidentally shoot a tree directly behind the flag. maybe a spectator instead of the flag. The pro is going to make the caddy walk off the yardage, regardless if they implement lasers or not.
just lol

as are most of the anti-range finder arguments in here
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03-29-2013 , 08:43 PM
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Whats next? Should they be able to ride in golf carts too?
Yes it's idiotic they walk the course. Simply wastes time.
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03-29-2013 , 08:46 PM
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In some cases, the caddy won't even have to walk the yardages, its in his book.

I used to caddie and my guy would have me walk off the yardage and we would also use the laser. That laser can malfunction. Maybe you can accidentally shoot a tree directly behind the flag. maybe a spectator instead of the flag. The pro is going to make the caddy walk off the yardage, regardless if they implement lasers or not.
Lol because a caddy wont have any idea if he thinks the yardage is way off right? Caddies will walk off yardages prior to tourneys to then during play they can just shoot the laser and look at their notes. You really make some horrible points when it comes to arguing
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03-29-2013 , 08:52 PM
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just lol

as are most of the anti-range finder arguments in here
How is this lol. Thats first hand knowledge coming from a caddy whose used a rangefinder in a professional tournament. And that was for a first prize of 30k. Ide imagine in a tour event with a million up top the pro would want the caddy to double check the laser and walk off the yardage. Its more realistic than you think.
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03-29-2013 , 08:55 PM
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If you have played a course prior and have walked off and written down yardages, this is called course knowledge.

If you walk up to a spot and look at a little number, it's called instant knowledge.
lol

If you walk up to your ball, your caddy has to walk a yardage off, writes the yardage down on a piece of paper and you look at it, it's called instant knowledge

WTF is the difference

my god
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03-29-2013 , 08:58 PM
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How is this lol. Thats first hand knowledge coming from a caddy whose used a rangefinder in a professional tournament. And that was for a first prize of 30k. Ide imagine in a tour event with a million up top the pro would want the caddy to double check the laser and walk off the yardage. Its more realistic than you think.
lasers are obviously less accurate than human foot steps combined with arithmetic and sometimes calculus.

what was I thinking

"hey bro, are you sure you are getting the flag? and not the tree 25 yards behind it?"

I will take any bet that a laser would be more accurate than a tour caddy. ANY BET mostly because the only way to tell how accurate the caddy is is to shoot it with a laser. LOLERSKATES
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03-29-2013 , 08:58 PM
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Yes it's idiotic they walk the course. Simply wastes time.
its just logical, right?
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03-29-2013 , 09:13 PM
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lasers are obviously less accurate than human foot steps combined with arithmetic and sometimes calculus.

what was I thinking

"hey bro, are you sure you are getting the flag? and not the tree 25 yards behind it?"

I will take any bet that a laser would be more accurate than a tour caddy. ANY BET mostly because the only way to tell how accurate the caddy is is to shoot it with a laser. LOLERSKATES
ok fair enough. So you think giving them something that is more accurate than a tour caddy is not giving them too much of advantage and not making it a little too easy?

Because if you do, just to try and speed up play and it fails, but creates a different atmosphere on the PGA tour, then what?
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03-29-2013 , 09:15 PM
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ok fair enough. So you think giving them something that is more accurate than a tour caddy is not giving them too much of advantage and not making it a little too easy?
Of course not. Pros already have pretty accurate yardages now. Regardless how perfect that yardage is, you still have to hit a good shot
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03-29-2013 , 09:26 PM
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Of course not. Pros already have pretty accurate yardages now. Regardless how perfect that yardage is, you still have to hit a good shot
Jack, Arnie and BO didnt have lasers to shoot random **** around the course. they had to judge it by looking at it and trusting a yardage book.

i'de have to disagree though. I would think the lasers would give players more of an advantage. Anytime someone makes a statement that something is more accurate than a tour caddy, its scary and it seems like that would be an advantage to me. it wasn't you, but NXT
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03-29-2013 , 09:26 PM
Thin man you are total AIDS. What a nonsensical stance
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03-29-2013 , 09:32 PM
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Jack, Arnie and BO didnt have lasers to shoot random **** around the course. they had to judge it by looking at it and trusting a yardage book.

i'de have to disagree though. I would think the lasers would give players more of an advantage. Anytime someone makes a statement that something is more accurate than a tour caddy, its scary and it seems like that would be an advantage to me. it wasn't you, but NXT
Who would it be an advantage over exactly? If all players are allowed to use them then its not an advantage. If half the tour got to use them then it would be unfair
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03-29-2013 , 09:33 PM
There's a certain tradition that the pro golfing authorities like to preserve which is why they don't allow carts, range finders, and likely anchored putters will soon be added to that list.
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03-29-2013 , 09:47 PM
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Who would it be an advantage over exactly? If all players are allowed to use them then its not an advantage. If half the tour got to use them then it would be unfair
I would argue it could potentially give someone with less experience an advantage because their caddy or the player himself might not have as much experience and could therefore effect their ability to know exact yardages when in other circumstances without a range finder, they would just have to speculate. You're basically giving a guy that has a mediocre caddy and making him 100% accurate on any distance at any moment on the golf course. How is that not making it easier on the player?

When a player hits it off line and has been playing bad, maybe his group is already on the clock, and his caddy doesn't have the time to walk around the pond to get the yardage. That player and caddy are going to have to eyeball it and work with what they have on their yardage book. A laser is going to give them a huge advantage in a spot like this.
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03-29-2013 , 09:49 PM
in before, thats just not logical
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03-29-2013 , 09:51 PM
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I would argue it could potentially give someone with less experience an advantage because their caddy or the player himself might not have as much experience and could therefore effect their ability to know exact yardages when in other circumstances without a range finder, they would just have to speculate. You're basically giving a guy that has a mediocre caddy and making him 100% accurate on any distance at any moment on the golf course. How is that not making it easier on the player?

When a player hits it off line and has been playing bad, maybe his group is already on the clock, and his caddy doesn't have the time to walk around the pond to get the yardage. That player and caddy are going to have to eyeball it and work with what they have on their yardage book. A laser is going to give them a huge advantage in a spot like this.
Get a better caddie? Your seriously trying to nitpick to find a positive side to your argument and everyone you have made is pretty lol.

Once again regardless if hes on the other side of the pond if it was anyone else they would get a rangefinder too.

The best argument is that it takes away from the tradition of the game and Id agree with that
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