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03-29-2013 , 04:13 PM

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How is there a "course knowledge" aspect of getting a yardage from a range finder vs stepping it off?

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03-29-2013 , 04:16 PM

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If you have played a course prior and have walked off and written down yardages, this is called course knowledge.

If you walk up to a spot and look at a little number, it's called instant knowledge.

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03-29-2013 , 04:21 PM

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There are too many factors that go into slowing up play to just say that allowing a rangefinder is going to speed it up.

Players not taking so long through their pre shot routines and quit being so deliberate will speed up play. But hey, thats golf. You're going to have some players who like to get their number and go and others who go into the tank on almost every decision.

If you want them to speed up play, there needs to be more emphasis on what i mentioned above. A rangefinder is only going to give them more of an advantage, albeit not a very big one, but not speed up play.

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03-29-2013 , 04:25 PM

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If you have played a course prior and have walked off and written down yardages, this is called course knowledge.

If you walk up to a spot and look at a little number, it's called instant knowledge.

Do you not think every single caddy on tour walks every course multiple times prior to it being played and gets yardages from hundreds of different points on the course? I think you are underestimating how much caddies know when it comes to getting yardages.

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03-29-2013 , 04:26 PM

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A rangefinder can definitely speed up play nor is it an advantage when everyone is allowed to use one. In no way am I arguing that this is the solution to speeding up play but I do think it cant hurt

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03-29-2013 , 04:27 PM

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Either that, or you are over estimating both the ability of caddies to perform math in their head as well as their players trust in them to do so properly.

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03-29-2013 , 04:33 PM

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Either that, or you are over estimating both the ability of caddies to perform math in their head as well as their players trust in them to do so properly.

Come on now this is just horrible. You dont think PGA caddies can do simple addition/subtraction. They wouldnt be caddying on tour if they cant step off and give correct yardages. They would have been fired a long time ago

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03-29-2013 , 04:39 PM

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A rangefinder can definitely speed up play nor is it an advantage when everyone is allowed to use one. In no way am I arguing that this is the solution to speeding up play but I do think it cant hurt

So you're saying that a rangefinder can essentially speed up a slow player?

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03-29-2013 , 04:46 PM

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Experience and course knowledge are inherent factors in golf.

I agree, but knowing the distance to the flag isn't really "experience and course knowledge" It's one thing to know that a putt on the right side of the green has a tiny break towards the east, or that you can hit a fade into the right side of the fairway and a gentle slope will bring it back. It's another thing to just be able to figure out a static distance to the flagstick. Hell, they GIVE YOU the distance on the Par-3s.

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03-29-2013 , 04:47 PM

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So you're saying that a rangefinder can essentially speed up a slow player?

We are looking at the overall play on tour as a whole. Having caddies not walk off yardages when the line to the flag is clear can only help speed up play. Players can get into their pre shot routines faster. Of course its not going to speed up how long someone takes over a ball but if for every hole and every player it saved 45 seconds for a caddy to walk off yardages that time is definitely going to add up

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03-29-2013 , 04:52 PM

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The PGA Tour knows who plays slow and who plays quick. So when they make the pairings, they try to mix and match so they aren't stuck with 3 slow players in a group. Guys are going to play slow whether you put a rangefinder in their hand or not and that is what slows up play. The pressure that goes into it, some guys take longer than others to hit a shot. And i think some of the slower players(Keegan) just have a flare for the dramatic at some moments.

In poker you have players that take no time with decisions and then some who go into the tank in every spot. It's the same for golf.

Salaburu would be like Ricky

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03-29-2013 , 04:56 PM

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I swear you just like to make bad arguments. No one is arguing its going to make a player play faster. Not having caddies walk off yardage can only speed up play. How do you not see this?

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03-29-2013 , 04:56 PM

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If it was that big of a deal, they would just let them use a rangefinder. The pace of play is usually good, and when its not, they make sure(under the rules) to get the group back in position. And if they don't, they are penalized.

Like i said earlier, the pace of play is all dictated by TV and what time they need to be done. If they stay within those time frames thats all they really care about.

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03-29-2013 , 05:00 PM

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If it was that big of a deal, they would just let them use a rangefinder. The pace of play is usually good, and when its not, they make sure(under the rules) to get the group back in position. And if they don't, they are penalized.

Like i said earlier, the pace of play is all dictated by TV and what time they need to be done. If they stay within those time frames thats all they really care about.

When was the last time the tour has given a penalty for slow play?

Not sure how much tv has to do with it either when players continue to bring the topic up

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03-29-2013 , 05:08 PM

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Watching the conversation between player/caddy trying to get the correct yardage, wind speed/direction is one of the coolest thing about golf. Watching someone with a rangefinder shooting every single tree up the left side of the 12th tee, and then in Keegan's case, knowing him, he would keep going back to the rangefinder making sure the it was the exact yardage for the 4th time. It just doesn't sound very appealing, and from a viewers standpoint would seem "too easy" in some cases

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03-29-2013 , 05:10 PM

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When was the last time the tour has given a penalty for slow play?

Not sure how much tv has to do with it either when players continue to bring the topic up

thats why i put (under the rules) because rarely, do they ever enforce the rules the way they are supposed to, but they don't have anyone above them to tell them what they are doing is wrong. they do what they want.

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03-29-2013 , 05:10 PM

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Do you even play golf? The conversations between the caddie and player would still 100% take place. All it does it save the caddie time from walking off the yardage. Talking about wind and club selection and such would all still be there. Once again how are you not understanding this?

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03-29-2013 , 05:13 PM

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LOL giving range finders to the pros would end up slowing play even more. the still gotta do the math from the pin to the front, the back etc.

it'll never happen

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03-29-2013 , 05:14 PM

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...and mucks goes on ignore

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03-29-2013 , 05:24 PM

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yeah i play, anytime you're in NC, hit me up. i'de beat you senseless.

my point is, caddies walking off yardages aren't what is slowing up play. It's because some players cant pull the trigger as fast as others and adding a rangefinder into that equation as you've already stated is not going to speed up that process.

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03-29-2013 , 05:32 PM

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...and mucks goes on ignore

This ****in guy. Hes so cool he wants everyone to know he has put me on ignore.

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03-29-2013 , 05:34 PM

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Yeah, welll, you're pretty annoying

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03-29-2013 , 05:37 PM

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I wont be in NC but no idea how or why you think you would beat me senseless. Chances are you wouldnt but I guess Ill go with cool story bro on this one.

Once again you fail at basic logic. May have to put you on ignore too since you cant understand even the simplest of concepts.

Look at it this way. How long do you think it takes for a caddy to walk off yardage? All Im saying is if a caddie didnt have to walk off yardage there is no way it could hurt. Of course this doesnt mess with pre shot routines and how long it takes the player to hit the shot. Ive already said this but you apparently lack in reading comprehension tool.

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03-29-2013 , 05:48 PM

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in a late shock, Rory to play Valero Texas Open next week.

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03-29-2013 , 06:00 PM

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Yea man, logically a caddy not having to walk off a yardage could save some time, but that is not what is slowing up play. So there is no need for rangefinders and thats why they aren't allowed now and they most likely never will be.

These people are trying to make it harder on pros. No chance they are giving them the ability to shoot the exact distance to any obstacle in between the tee and the flag

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