but the black knight told me it was a great place...:sad:

I have driven by it a few dozen times, even stayed at a hotel near there and never been there. Guess that says something.

Nope.

Piggybacking on that question, anyone been to the USGA museum? Always see little hits about that during USGA events, looks like it'd be interesting. Plus I'm probably more likely to be in the Newark area than St. Augustine...

The "facility" or whatever you want to call it looked pretty damn nice.

Never been to the USGA museum and after the HOF I don't think I ever will.

hey nate,
these are all honest questions
what would grab your attention at a golf museum?
artifacts of the game?
old hickory clubs, feathery balls, score cards and broken tees behind glass?
perhaps some famous autographed photographs?
or might it be more about how every player in the hall of fame learned the game under different circumstances?
is there something there that interests you?
would you rather look at static things, watch videos, or both?
everybody has their own preference, i'm just curious what yours (and others) might be

it's fun to look at the clubs they used and try to imagine doing the same
if you think playing blades is tough, try getting fitted for a mashie-niblick

Red....a couple things.....

At the HOF they have an entire wing devoted to Nancy Lopez. I mean yeah, she was great, but an entire wing? No, I'm not an LPGA hater. I liked all of the Annika stuff. Love Annika.

They did have lots of the old clubs they used. No, I could not imagine hitting them.

I did kind of like the locker room. Was cool seeing Retief Goosen's driver from the 90s. And I had no idea Retief was in the HOF.

So I don't know. I will say I went to the Waste Management Open last year and that was sooooooo much better then the HOF. And obviously more $$$$$$$.

Waste Management and HOF are my only two "real" golf experiences....other than playing of course

interesting about the nancy wing
the women's golf hall of fame is located in augusta ga
(the irony of that a topic for a different time)

seems a shame the history of competitive golf in the us isn't concentrated in fewer locations.
the power of the story comes from the opportunity to see it at scale and how all the players intertwined with each other's timelines.

I did not know that. That is hilarious.

and February is Black History Month
the same people making shameful decisions

Actually a good "free" place to check out is the clubhouse at TPC Sawgrass. Each player donates a club signifying what helped then win The Players that week. Kinda interesting.

now that sounds awesome

My Ram Zebra is still doing that 25 years after I bought it. Never had any reason to buy another putter.

I saw an episode of School of Golf with Martin Hall and Blair O'Neal within the last half year perhaps where Marin claimed that it was a "myth" that you should consider the swing thought of swinging through the ball towards the target, because in actuality the club swings around the body, something to that effect anyway. I instinctively disagreed at the time, but since getting back into practicing golf casually again as of late, the disagreement rearose in my mind.

I suspect that the swing thought of having the club go through the ball towards the intended target is premised on the fact that you need forward momentum of the clubhead to make the ball go forward in the simplest of terms, but in a more complex sense you need a sufficient amount of forward momentum of body and club to generated the power you want for the ball to go as far as you would like. If you think of the swing as roughly circular in shape, what I'm suggesting is that you don't aim for the circle to merely correspond to alignment with the intended target at the point of contact with the clubface in perfect sync at that moment, but that you want the circle as a whole to have it's own forward momentum to ensure you produce sufficient forward power and also minimize excessive hook or slice spin on the ball.

I feel like I've distinctly witnessed professional golfers exhibit a sort of forward extension of the swing that demonstrates this concept in contrast to amateur golfers who don't have enough of it. Also, on occasions when I've been able to hit my 3 wood or driver at its best, this notion has really been in play.

PSA.....Netflix "Full Swing" now available. I'll be watching later.

I'm definitely going to watch it, but I've somehow always found it awkward when current Liv golfers are featured in the promos.

I watched a few of them, and also listened to some of the Full Swing podcast episode reviews. I'd call it "ok" over all. Was expecting epicness given how much material they had to work with this year, so a little disappointed.

When I watched the preview or intro right before watching the first episode, I quickly found out that all the Liv drama was no sort of "obstacle" or anything, but something they were apparently keen on incorporating into the documentary. So my feeling of awkwardness about Liv golfers being featured is pretty much squared away for the time being. After watching almost the whole first episode, I would also characterize it as "ok" so far. Hopefully I get more into it the more I watch.

I'm 7 in, I think it's a decent show, I do however think they could have done a lot more or differently. Whilst I like the idea of following the story of the players I felt a lot of the season was left out not that I'm really looking for anything specific I just felt a lot was missing.

Would be interesting to see how a non golfer views this, Would he/she be more invested in golf after watching it? My guess would be probably not. Probably should have released this right before a Major.

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question in my head I think I already know the answer but basically want it confirming I guess.


So over this past week we have been a lot of Four Ball better ball matches. I play off 10 and I'm the Lowest out of us. The other HC's are 13/16/25. What we have been doing is everyone just plays with their own handicaps. For example I just get 10 shots and the 25hc get 25 shots and we just play the best nett score wins the hole.

I've realised this is the wrong way. I should be playing off scratch and then everyone plays off me. My question, Is the way we have been playing it vs the way we should be playing it much different? If so, could you give me a simple explanation I could explain to the people I've been playing with as they might think I'm shafting them in some way



I'm super bad at explain things out loud, I'm not sure why. On the weekend we did a 3v3v3 scramble off scratch. To split the teams up as fair as we could I suggested we wrote down all the handicaps which were. 10/11/11/13/13/16/16/20/25 .. I suggested 3 lowest captains. You put the 2 13's into separate teams and then the 20 and 25 will go into the same teams as the 13's leaving the 2 16's left to go into the remaining teams. I basically said it like that and it went over everyone's head then I just gave up and said do what you want

Teams turned out 10/16/25 (My team), 11/13/20, 11/13/16

vs the way I suggested 10/13/25, 11/13/20, 11/16/16

It really shouldn't matter. One suggestion on the fourball is if you are tied on the first ball that you go to the second ball. Keeps all players in the hole.

You should be playing off scratch and here's why.

The way the hole handicapping system works is that if there is 1 stroke difference between competitors, the #1 handicap hole is the one where is makes the most difference. Spells out such in detail in the USGA manual.

The way you have been doing it, the 11 handicappers get that 1 stroke on the #11 handicap hole and so on.

It does make a difference.

You were pretty much spot on regarding the scramble teams, totals strokes is usually the best way to measure teams unless there is one player significantly better or worse than the others. In your case, the difference between a 20 and a 25 isn't near as big a deal as it would be a 5 vs. a 10. The only sticky part is that a 16 is going to be the worst player on a team while the same can be said for a 25.

Cheers guys, I always thought we were playing it wrong I've just never given it much thought about until now. I will suggest it when we give it a go next.


With the scramble thing it just went over everyone's heads when I tried to explain it to them ... We only lost by 1 so it wasn't too bad in the end, This is mainly cause I had a guy the 16 handicapper who can just bomb it but has 0 short game. I'm fine with that as I can bring the short game. The 25 handicapper was just holing putts for fun think I holed 1 important in the round.

does anyone around here use course adjusted handicaps for games? it can mean a stroke between a 10 and a 17, didn't calculate for a 10 to 25.