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Old 09-06-2018, 06:24 PM   #12526
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I'm a pretty good long putter and what I do is check the line I want and then stand a few paces behind the ball and swing the putter at the length I feel is needed whilst looking at the putt. I do this until I feel I have the correct swing for the distance and then walk back to the ball, still swishing the putter and take my stance and then make the same swing on the putt.
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Old 09-06-2018, 06:38 PM   #12527
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Anyone have some thoughts on putting from long distances. For some reason I have had a really difficult time lately doing this. Part of it is me playing my courses where I rarely see a putt longer than 30 feet or so.

When I am on the practice green I will attempt some 80ish foot putts and I can leave them 30 feet short. I lose all control of the putter head and I can push or pull them at least 10 feet left or right of the intended line too.

So obviously mental. I have tried different putters, grips, etc but get the same results. Only thing that slightly helps is putting with the bottom hand only on the club.
Not sure about the distance control but as far as push/pull goes, I will take my right thumb off the grip and just let it hover there (assuming you use a standard grip). This helps make me slow the swing down so it's smoother and much less likely to twist the club in any way without your thumb on top. Have to do it in practice to get used to it. YMMV
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Anyone have some thoughts on putting from long distances. For some reason I have had a really difficult time lately doing this. Part of it is me playing my courses where I rarely see a putt longer than 30 feet or so.

When I am on the practice green I will attempt some 80ish foot putts and I can leave them 30 feet short. I lose all control of the putter head and I can push or pull them at least 10 feet left or right of the intended line too.

So obviously mental. I have tried different putters, grips, etc but get the same results. Only thing that slightly helps is putting with the bottom hand only on the club.
You say it's obviously mental, but it sounds like your putting stroke may be mechanically unsound and it just gets exasperated by adding force/size to the swing. Do you just "hit it harder" or do you just make the pendulum swing longer? Are your shoulders and feet square with the target line?


As for just trying a few random 80 footers, try putting balls to various distances around the edges of the green. Like drop 5 balls, then to try to stop the ball at the fringe at 30 feet for one. Then turn a few degrees and putt to a spot 10 feet longer. Then turn a little more and putt to a spot longer or shorter. I know we all don't always have the time we need to fully warm up, but don't stop until you think you have a good feel for the speed for these putts for the day. You don't want to stop with "well, I still have no clue but here we go anyway". Feeling confident helps a lot.

Just smashing an 80 footer or two probably isn't really going to help all that much for figuring out your feel for the distance but I will grant that it's better than not hitting any putts at all over 20 feet.


Also, when I'm making practice strokes before making an actual putt on the course, I'm always looking at the hole (or rather the target in my head) while making the swings and asking myself "Is the size of this swing the right size for the distance I'm trying to hit it?" If it feels short, I'll make a bigger swing next swing, and if it feels long, I shorten it. This goes back and forth until it feels right, and if I did my practice routine on the green earlier, I'll unconsciously have a better 'feel' for what size swing I need to make. Then I'll address the ball and repeat that swing. Looking up at the target during practice swings is very important to me. I don't have a "I want to hit it 45 feet" swing. It's not necessarily like my wedges where I know my 75% 56* wedge carries 73 yards or whatever. I'm using my unconscious to feel it out. I'm also looking at the target when I'm taking my stance. Your unconscious will naturally aim you better than whatever the other options are for lining up.

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Old 09-06-2018, 11:18 PM   #12529
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I have now reviewed all PGA Tour tournaments back to 1929 (the birth of what would become the PGA Tour). Here are the results of my searches for players who had the best score of the round by at least 5 strokes in a PGA Tour event. I am confident that the rounds appearing in the table below are correct, but there may be a few others as well (though I tried to be comprehensive).

Strokes Score Name Tourney Round Finish Miscellany
7
66
Gene Sarazen1935 Massachusetts Open
2nd
Won by 14 strokesFew top pros entered (opposite British Open)
7
63
Cary Middlecoff1948 Hawaiian Open
3rd
Won by 3 strokesFew top pros entered (difficult to travel to Hawaii)
7
60
Tommy Bolt1954 Insurance Open
2nd
Won in playoffMissed a 12-foot putt on 18 for a 59
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6
65
Henry Picard1937 Hershey Open
2nd
Won by 3 strokesRound played in steady rain
6
62
Lawson Little1941 Texas Open
2nd
Won by 3 strokesSnowing when round began (winter rules)
6
63
Byron Nelson1945 Canadian PGA (Montreal Open)
1st
Won by 10 strokesFew top US pros entered (winter rules)
6
63
Chandler Harper1946 Virginia Open
4th
2nd (lost in playoff)Few top pros; came from 9 shots back to tie Sam Snead
6
60
Sam Snead1957 Dallas Open
2nd
Won by 10 strokes45 years old
6
63
Dave Marr1958 Texas Open
1st
T3 (4 strokes behind)Greens were frozen (22 degrees that morning)
6
59
Al Geiberger1977 Danny Thomas Memphis Classic
2nd
Won by 3 strokes First sub-60 round on PGA Tour
6
63
Calvin Peete1983 Georgia-Pacific Atlanta Classic
3rd
Won by 2 strokes Final round of rain-shortened 54-hole tourney
6
62
Davis Love III1992 KMart Greater Greensboro Open
4th
Won by 6 strokesBeat third-round leader Rocco Mediate by 11 strokes
6
59
Jim Furyk2013 BMW Championship
2nd
3rd (3 strokes behind)Event limited to 70 players (Conway Farms, Illinois)
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5
70
Robert Crowley1929 Massachusetts Open
3rd
4th (3 strokes behind)Field was club pros and amateurs
5
66
Gene Sarazen1929 Long Island Open
3rd
2nd (2 strokes behind)Two courses were used (Sarazen's 66 was on the easier course)
5
66
Macdonald Smith1931 Metropolitan Open
3rd
Won by 5 strokesOut-dueled Gene Sarazen on final day
5
68
Tommy Armour1933 US Open
1st
T4 (5 strokes behind)Largest first-round US Open lead (North Shore CC, near Chicago)
5
68
Sam Snead1935 Cascades Open
1st
3rd (4 strokes behind)Reportedly Snead's very first round in a PGA Tour event (Hot Springs, VA)
5
66
Craig Wood1941 Masters
1st
Won by 3 strokes 50 players in field; Wood first wire-to-wire Masters winner
5
63
Horton Smith1941 St. Paul Open
4th
Won by 1 strokeLast of his 32 PGA Tour wins
5
66
Byron Nelson1945 Fort Worth Glen Garden Open
3rd
Won by 8 strokes18th victory of remarkable season
5
62
Ed (Porky) Oliver1950 Kansas City Open
2nd
T2 (1 stroke behind)Oliver was runner-up in majors 3 times without a major win
5
60
Bill Nary1952 El Paso Open
3rd
11th (9 strokes behind)Set a PGA Tour record with only 20 putts (since eclipsed)
5
62
Fred Haas1953 Carling Open
4th
T4 (5 strokes behind)Haas won the PGA tourney that snapped Byron Nelson's 11 consecutive wins in 1945
5
63
Tony Holguin1954 Bing Crosby
1st
T16 (9 strokes behind)Three courses used; Holguin played Monterey Peninsula CC
5
65
Don January1957 Tournament of Champions
2nd
T6 (4 strokes behind)Event limited to 23 players (Las Vegas)
5
63
Gene Littler1957 All American Open
4th
2nd (4 strokes behind)29 career PGA wins including 1961 US Open
5
62
Phil Rodgers1962 Los Angeles Open
4th
Won by 9 strokesJack Nicklaus's first pro tourney (finished 21 shots behind Rodgers)
5
64
Tommy Jacobs1964 US Open
2nd
2nd (4 strokes behind) Tied then-lowest ever US Open score (Lee Mackey, 1950 Merion), Congressional CC
5
62
Jack Nicklaus1973 Ohio Kings Island Open
3rd
Won by 6 strokesOne of 7 wins in 1973 (51st PGA Tour win)
5
62
Gibby Gilbert1973 World Open
1st
T15 (13 strokes behind) Two-week eight-round tourney at Pinehurst
5
62
Tom Watson1973 World Open
5th
T4 (6 strokes behind) Two-week eight-round tourney at Pinehurst
5
61
Johnny Miller1975 Dean Martin Tucson Open
4th
Won by 9 strokes Miller won Phoenix Open week before by 14 strokes
5
62
Hale Irwin1979 Jackie Gleason Inverrary Classic
2nd
3rd (6 strokes behind)Set Inverrary course record
5
62
Andy Bean1983 Canadian Open
4th
T4 (2 strokes behind)Was penalized two strokes day before for tapping in putt with wrong end of putter
5
63
Gary Player1984 PGA
2nd
T2 (4 strokes behind)48 years old; Shoal Creek (Alabama)
5
62
Denis Watson1984 NEC World Series of Golf
2nd
Won by 2 strokesEvent limited to 42 players (Firestone)
5
63
Doug Tewell1986 Los Angeles Open
4th
Won by 7 strokesKnown for hitting it straight (Riviera)
5
63
Jim Gallagher1993 Tour Championship
1st
Won by 1 strokeEvent limited to 30 players (Olympic Club)
5
60
Davis Love III1994 United Airlines Hawaiian Open
2nd
2nd (1 stroke behind)Three eagles in round including the 18th hole (Waialae)
5
61
John Huston1996 Memorial
2nd
5th (5 strokes behind)Set course record which still stands
5
60
Steve Lowery1997 Buick Challenge
4th
T3 (5 strokes behind)Callaway Gardens, Pine Mountain, Georgia
5
59
David Duval1999 Bob Hope Chrysler Classic
5th
Won by 1 stroke Eagled 18th hole (5-round tourney)
5
61
Fred Funk1999 BC Open
2nd
2nd (lost in playoff) Lift-clean-and-place in effect
5
61
Chad Campbell2003 Tour Championship
3rd
Won by 3 strokes Event limited to 31 players (Champions GC)
5
60
Phil Mickelson2005 FBR Open
2nd
Won by 5 strokesBirdied his final five holes (TPC Scottsdale)
5
66
Vijay Singh2006 Mercedes Championship
4th
2nd (lost in playoff) Event limited to 28 players (Kapalua)
5
61
Vijay Singh2006 Deutsche Bank
3rd
2nd (2 strokes behind)In final round Tiger Woods came from behind to win (63 to Vijay's 68), TPC Boston
5
62
Adam Scott2007 Memorial
2nd
T5 (3 strokes behind) KJ Choi won tourney
5
63
Geoff Ogilvy2009 Memorial
3rd
T10 (8 strokes behind) Shot a 75 in final round while Tiger Woods shot 65 to win by 1
5
62
Graham DeLaet2010 Reno-Tahoe Open
3rd
T31 (9 strokes behind) Event opposite British Open
5
61
Tiger Woods2013 WGC-Bridgestone
2nd
Won by 7 strokes Event limited to 73 players (Firestone)
5
60
Sung Kang2016 AT&T Pebble Beach
2nd
T17 (9 strokes behind) Event played over multiple courses (Kang played Monterey Peninsula CC)

I am not sure if the first entry chronologically, the 1929 Massachusetts Open, belongs in the table. That tourney seems to be classified as an official PGA tournaments, but the field consisted entirely of club pros and amateurs from Massachusetts (no touring pros). The further back we go in time, the more slippery the definition of a PGA Tour tournament becomes.

One other somewhat similar case bears mention. I did not include Sam Snead's 61 at the 1936 West Virginia Closed Pro tourney in which he beat all the other pros by 10 shots. It was a one-day 36-hole tourney consisting of local club pros (which Snead technically was). Perhaps surprisingly the PGA has designated this tourney as an official PGA tournament making it the first of Snead's 82 career PGA victories.

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Old 09-07-2018, 06:59 AM   #12530
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You say it's obviously mental, but it sounds like your putting stroke may be mechanically unsound and it just gets exasperated by adding force/size to the swing. Do you just "hit it harder" or do you just make the pendulum swing longer? Are your shoulders and feet square with the target line?
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I think I do just "hit it harder" and don't necessarily take a longer pendulum swing. When I just hit it harder I'm sure it's just a stab at the ball creating my push/pull issues. Also likely the cause generally leaving putts woefully short.

In searching around the intertubes yesterday I had the thought of needing to swing my shoulders more. Was thinking of putting a club under my armpits when practicing to get the feel of the shoulders doing the work.

One other question on putting. Does anyone "lock in" their elbows when making a swing with the putter so they can only move in a pendulum motion? I was experimenting with that yesterday after the round.

It's just strange to me that I consider myself a really good putter on fast greens and putting inside of 20 feet. Beyond that and on slow greens I feel like I'm the worst in the world.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:52 AM   #12531
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Yes, I 'lock' my arms in a 'V' and do the classic pendulum swing, increasing the arc for longer putts.

Some of the worst long-putters I see at my club are those that take a short backswing and accelerate really quickly to try to get the required speed at impact - this causes erratic results in a majority of those players imo.

One of the guys does the same with his green-side chipping - he is going to be one of those who will gain most by the new rules as he double-hits on those shots more than anyone I have ever seen!
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:49 PM   #12532
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One other question on putting. Does anyone "lock in" their elbows when making a swing with the putter so they can only move in a pendulum motion? I was experimenting with that yesterday after the round.
I'm not saying what's right or wrong, but adding moving parts to something that can be reduced to something simpler sounds like you're making it harder than it needs to be.

Assuming you're righty if I remember the clips you've posted correctly, if you grip way down on the club with your left hand, like almost to the metal, and then took your right hand and "clamped" the part of the grip that's sticking up against the inside of your left forearm, this should force you to take the hands out of the swing and you'll feel the shoulders doing all the work.



This image is close to what I'm talking about. What I mean with the right hand is actually wrapping your right fingers around the left forearm to kinda clamp the grip against the side of your arm.




Also, I know technically the club releases through a putt, but I think if you simplified the motion down to its base parts, you'd take a lot of the guess-work and variance out of your putts.
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Old 09-10-2018, 05:12 PM   #12533
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I'm a lefty, so yeah it's always natural to just assume the opposite

That's what I have been experimenting with. Something to lock it down so there are few moving parts. At least something I am comfortable with if it goes haywire during a round. I never start the day with a lost feeling on the greens, only some time during the round for some reason.

Thanks for the reply!
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:39 AM   #12534
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Note that what I'm suggesting is more of a drill or just something to get the feel of something. I'd hope it's obvious that I'm not suggesting to use this set up as a putting grip on the course. Just as a method to feeling your wrists and hands being quiet and "locked".

I was putting front-hand-low before that was a thing. I was hitting putts lefty with the back of my putter and noticed it was a lot easier for me to move the club straight back and through (I use face balanced putters), so I kept the same lefty-grip and tried putting right handed and started putting way better immediately. My teammates in high school used to make fun of me for putting with a lefty grip but I made a lot more putts than they did, so they stopped. Then a couple years later cross-handed putting started getting popular and I felt vindicated. I don't know if it's a product of the shoulders being a little more level or if it's the restriction to wrist break/twist, but I think everyone should try it at least.
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Old 09-12-2018, 03:49 PM   #12535
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Thomas Pieters says Americans can't drink and the Hazeltine layout was a joke cuz Phil was hitting it 6 fairways over and still getting on in reg

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Note that what I'm suggesting is more of a drill or just something to get the feel of something. I'd hope it's obvious that I'm not suggesting to use this set up as a putting grip on the course. Just as a method to feeling your wrists and hands being quiet and "locked".

I was putting front-hand-low before that was a thing. I was hitting putts lefty with the back of my putter and noticed it was a lot easier for me to move the club straight back and through (I use face balanced putters), so I kept the same lefty-grip and tried putting right handed and started putting way better immediately. My teammates in high school used to make fun of me for putting with a lefty grip but I made a lot more putts than they did, so they stopped. Then a couple years later cross-handed putting started getting popular and I felt vindicated. I don't know if it's a product of the shoulders being a little more level or if it's the restriction to wrist break/twist, but I think everyone should try it at least.
Did some practice with it out on the course because I was waiting on the fivesome ahead of me for a couple of holes. Works pretty good to hold the line just needed some practice on the speed part of the putts.

Later in the round I was messing around with various putts and grips, and I noticed that I am really fixated on where the putter is taking it back and not looking at the ball. After that small adjustment I was hitting putts much better for both pace and line. See if that works again when I go out the next few days.
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:57 AM   #12537
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Thomas Pieters says Americans can't drink and the Hazeltine layout was a joke cuz Phil was hitting it 6 fairways over and still getting on in reg

https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2...ink-ryder-cup/
He actually made some fair points.
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:24 PM   #12538
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isnt it ryder cup tradition to set the golf course up in a way to give your side the biggest edge?
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oh forgot to mention, Sim RyderCup has been going on for a little bit now. We are ahead of our (losing) pace from last year, hoping to pull off the overall win this time.

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Don't know what caused me to think about it today, but I liked Big Break on TGC.. Wish it was back....
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Don't know what caused me to think about it today, but I liked Big Break on TGC.. Wish it was back....
i remember watching the season with tony finau, pretty crazy to go from that to one of the best players in the world in 5ish years. wonder if any other guys from the show have become tour members
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Dunno about the guys but Ryann O'Toole has had a decent career on the LPGA.

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O yeah completely forgot about Tommy Gainey, he had some nice results for a couple years
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I never realized Matt Every was on Big Break.
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Blair O'Neal won a season of it. She turned that into a decent career away from the tour.
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Blair O'Neal won a season of it. She turned that into a decent career away from the tour.
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I'm a fan of the whole female golfer / instagram model trend. Women's golf has definitely come a long way since the days of Meg Mallon and Laura Davies.
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