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Old 08-29-2018, 08:49 PM   #12501
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I agree with everything but the putting part. I think lumping putting in there with around the green stuff involving spin and trajectory and arc and all that stuff, and so much so that you think it's MORE important, it just sounds like a very old guard thing to say.
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Yeah, feel matters and a good putter might struggle with a ball they're not used to, but they can also get used to a pinnacle or whatever very easily. There's nothing about a high end spinny ball that gives it a putting advantage.
A player has more control chipping and pitching with a ball that has more spin because they can control it better. It grips the face longer. But guess what? The exact same thing applies to putting.
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Old 08-29-2018, 10:14 PM   #12502
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I could be wrong, but isn't putting the last place where ball matters beyond not having defects in it. The only real difference is just the sound it makes? I mean, I can certainly see the mental psychology of playing different balls etc. I'd imagine most players that don't normally break out the ProVs will inherently focus better in an important round, like grinding out their club championship B flight or something. Obviously, no guarantee of better results, but yeah.
i was slow to respond... but my comment had to do with not mixing ball types i.e. i play new premium and distance balls and both used. often i just play what's in my bag... you can end up with big differences if you start playing soft and rock hard balls, both putting.....

but your answer seems consistent with what i said - namely don't mix-match ball types..... and my guess is you simply want to play with the same ball and always new balls if you want to be really consistent.

EDIT: and rock hard balls are probably bad too. not even sure if they're sold like that new or if that's the plastic stiffening (either due to air or water exposure)
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:45 AM   #12503
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A player has more control chipping and pitching with a ball that has more spin because they can control it better. It grips the face longer. But guess what? The exact same thing applies to putting.
BO, you really sound like you're defending old ball flight laws.

I'm saying if you were deaf, you'd never know the difference between balls when putting.



*edit* Let me add that I will readily admit that I'm wrong if we can see some data. I haven't looked into it. I'm on as much of a hunch as you are.

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Old 08-30-2018, 12:53 AM   #12504
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A player has more control chipping and pitching with a ball that has more spin because they can control it better. It grips the face longer. But guess what? The exact same thing applies to putting.
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BO, you really sound like you're defending old ball flight laws.

I'm saying if you were deaf, you'd never know the difference between balls when putting.
I'm not sure about the latter claim, but if this extended face time was so important, every tour player would have a soft urethane putter insert. In any case, there's zero chance the ball matters more for putting than it does for any chip, pitch or full swing.
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Old 08-30-2018, 01:15 AM   #12505
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I typed up a whole bunch of stuff but I deleted it. I don't want this to turn into another breaking vs straight putts debacle, so I'm going to just leave it how pete just said it above. "In any case, there's zero chance the ball matters more for putting than it does for any chip, pitch or full swing." which was really the only point I was trying to make with my initial response to:

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Putting is where it's most important, followed by chipping, pitching, wedge game, etc. You work your way back from the green.

After all, there's a reason why most players don't play a Pinnacle or some such that goes forever off the tee.
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Old 08-30-2018, 08:58 AM   #12506
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I'm not sure about the latter claim, but if this extended face time was so important, every tour player would have a soft urethane putter insert. In any case, there's zero chance the ball matters more for putting than it does for any chip, pitch or full swing.
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I typed up a whole bunch of stuff but I deleted it. I don't want this to turn into another breaking vs straight putts debacle, so I'm going to just leave it how pete just said it above. "In any case, there's zero chance the ball matters more for putting than it does for any chip, pitch or full swing." which was really the only point I was trying to make with my initial response to:
Would you guys agree that ball matters equally as much with putting as it does with chipping and pitching?

And no, I'm not trying to defend old ball flight laws. But I can certainly tell the difference between putting different types of balls blindfolded.
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Old 08-30-2018, 02:11 PM   #12507
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Would you guys agree that ball matters equally as much with putting as it does with chipping and pitching?
Maybe on the most basic chip and run but definitely not when you need spin
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:23 PM   #12508
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Would you guys agree that ball matters equally as much with putting as it does with chipping and pitching?

And no, I'm not trying to defend old ball flight laws. But I can certainly tell the difference between putting different types of balls blindfolded.
In terms of how balls roll, I've never noticed a difference in my life. Obviously how they feel and how hot they come off the face are important... but I don't think it makes a difference once you adjust for the firmness.

On balls: I recently tried the AVX from titleist, and am loving it so far. Gonna give it a go for a few more rounds and see if I make a switch from the black pro v1.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:43 PM   #12509
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In any case, there's zero chance the ball matters more for putting than it does for any chip, pitch or full swing.
Well, perhaps I'm not doing a good job trying to explain it.

You're wrong. Maybe it doesn't matter for you, or you don't think it matters, and that's fine. But there are a ton of players for whom it does matter, including myself. If me or any other pro doesn't like the way a ball feels off the putter we're not going to use it or even try to get used to it. It's that big of a deal. Yes, we could try to get more used to it, but it will still be a hindrance on the greens.

It matters for a lot of golfers, but certainly not all.
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:45 PM   #12510
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Well, perhaps I'm not doing a good job trying to explain it.

You're wrong. Maybe it doesn't matter for you, or you don't think it matters, and that's fine. But there are a ton of players for whom it does matter, including myself. If me or any other pro doesn't like the way a ball feels off the putter we're not going to use it or even try to get used to it. It's that big of a deal. Yes, we could try to get more used to it, but it will still be a hindrance on the greens.

It matters for a lot of golfers, but certainly not all.
I can understand that it matters a lot to someone who thinks they're feeling something they're not actually feeling
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:18 AM   #12511
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Or maybe instead are "hearing" what they're "feeling"
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:44 AM   #12512
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One way to put this question is to consider that you had two balls: a ProV1 and an NXT Tour.

You could only use the ProV1 for one of the categories below (all year), and for all other categories you had to use the NXT Tour

1. Putting
2. Pitches and chips 0-70 yards
3. 80 to 150yards
4. 160+

I am picking number 2 for the ProV . Not that 1 and 3 are not important, but because where I want/need the benefits of the ProV the most is in category 2.
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:49 AM   #12513
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I can understand that it matters a lot to someone who thinks they're feeling something they're not actually feeling
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Or maybe instead are "hearing" what they're "feeling"
So you both are saying I have no idea what I'm truly feeling or hearing on the greens? And you guys do?
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:10 AM   #12514
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We can back and forth on this forever unless we can run an honest experiment, which isn't going to happen, so I guess it's pointless to continue.

I'm just saying, if you had ear plugs in and you didn't see the ball, I don't think even you, BO, the +4 who is way better than me, could tell the difference.



I will grant that on a 50+ foot putt, ball compression and spin may matter some and there may be some distance difference from ball to ball. Having a feel with a ProV1x for a 60 footer for the last 10 years and then plopping down a Dunlop DDH 110 from 1995 may go a few feet further or shorter with the same swing. I'm not sitting here denying that a putter has loft or that physics happen at the moment of impact and during the moments where the ball makes contact with the ground until its rotation matches the speed of the roll so the ball is no longer skidding. I'm just saying that I think your ability to hole anything inside 30 feet is not being impacted by the type of ball you're using, not in a measured level of importance as compared to the ball's importance for pitches, chips, and any full swings, whereas your stance is that it's MOST important in putting.

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Old 08-31-2018, 09:22 AM   #12515
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I declare whoever has the lowest index is the winner of this argument.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:40 AM   #12516
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We can back and forth on this forever unless we can run an honest experiment, which isn't going to happen, so I guess it's pointless to continue.

I'm just saying, if you had ear plugs in and you didn't see the ball, I don't think even you, BO, the +4 who is way better than me, could tell the difference.

I'm just saying that I think your ability to hole anything inside 30 feet is not being impacted by the type of ball you're using, not in a measured level of importance as compared to the ball's importance for pitches, chips, and any full swings, whereas your stance is that it's MOST important in putting.
We can both agree that it's hugely important for chipping and pitching.

I can promise you though I can tell the difference between a Pro V1 and a Pinnacle blindfolded and ear plugged. I still think I could tell the difference between a Pro V1 and Pro V1x but am not going to say for certain I could. Might go out one day and try though, would be interesting.

But yeah, this discussion has probably run it's course. And nobody has been insulted, what has become of the internet?
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:47 AM   #12517
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We can back and forth on this forever unless we can run an honest experiment, which isn't going to happen...
https://youtu.be/Z2NTzNi7LDE



I wish he had tested a toprock or pinnacle but whatevs. Also could have tested a much longer putt...
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:06 AM   #12518
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So you both are saying I have no idea what I'm truly feeling or hearing on the greens? And you guys do?
The only argument I'm making, is that the actual roll of the golf ball (i.e. the only part that matters for a putt), doesn't get impacted by the type of ball. I could probably feel the difference of a prov1 and a pinnacle just by feeling them in my hand blindfolded, and could easily tell the difference in both sound and feel off the putter face... but I don't think it matters in terms of actual performance. Obviously it makes a big difference in any shot that spins.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:14 AM   #12519
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Speaking of putting. Going to head down to this place https://putterlounge.com/portfolio-3 today and check out what they have. I've had a few people recommend it. Certainly going to get a line put on my taylormade black spider tour thing I've been using for most of the past 18 months (DJ's old putter).
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:40 AM   #12520
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Speaking of putting. Going to head down to this place https://putterlounge.com/portfolio-3 today and check out what they have. I've had a few people recommend it. Certainly going to get a line put on my taylormade black spider tour thing I've been using for most of the past 18 months (DJ's old putter).
Oh damn, I never heard of that place before. I'm less than an hour from there. Definitely going to check it out.
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Old 08-31-2018, 02:11 PM   #12521
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I'd like to check that place out too if I was in the area.
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Old 08-31-2018, 04:02 PM   #12522
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Oh damn, I never heard of that place before. I'm less than an hour from there. Definitely going to check it out.
It's less of a shop than my friend had described. They make carbon putters, which are pretty cool. I bought this https://carbonputters.com/putter-des...ngo-long-neck/, which felt great in their little makeshift office. They have a money back guarantee, so I'm gonna give it a good test this weekend and see.

Left my spider to get a line on it, and regripped.

Sounds like they can do lots of custom engraving and whatnot if that's up your alley.
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Old 08-31-2018, 06:19 PM   #12523
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Speaking of putting. Going to head down to this place https://putterlounge.com/portfolio-3 today and check out what they have. I've had a few people recommend it. Certainly going to get a line put on my taylormade black spider tour thing I've been using for most of the past 18 months (DJ's old putter).
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It's less of a shop than my friend had described. They make carbon putters, which are pretty cool. I bought this https://carbonputters.com/putter-des...ngo-long-neck/, which felt great in their little makeshift office. They have a money back guarantee, so I'm gonna give it a good test this weekend and see.

Left my spider to get a line on it, and regripped.

Sounds like they can do lots of custom engraving and whatnot if that's up your alley.
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Old 09-06-2018, 11:33 AM   #12524
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Anyone have some thoughts on putting from long distances. For some reason I have had a really difficult time lately doing this. Part of it is me playing my courses where I rarely see a putt longer than 30 feet or so.

When I am on the practice green I will attempt some 80ish foot putts and I can leave them 30 feet short. I lose all control of the putter head and I can push or pull them at least 10 feet left or right of the intended line too.

So obviously mental. I have tried different putters, grips, etc but get the same results. Only thing that slightly helps is putting with the bottom hand only on the club.
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Old 09-06-2018, 06:14 PM   #12525
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I've started pacing out my putts. A 50 footer can sometimes look a lot shorter; actually knowing the distance helps me to hit it harder than just relying on feel
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