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Old 01-12-2018, 07:14 PM   #12026
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i have a "what would you do?".. not sure if it's an ethical question or not. think maybe it's just personal choice

say you're son is 16 and playing your state amateur.

tied for the lead on a late hole on the final day.

you have been going out 250 yards and forecaddying for your son and perhaps keeping an "eye" his compeitors' ball too

his competitor hits a bad drive on 17th.... can't find the ball. no one knows where it is except you....

would you tell the competitor where the ball is?.. this could be the difference between your son on USC/UCLA golf team vs. San Jose State or Nevada.

does it matter if...... ? you are inside/outside ropes (assuming roped), you have been helping earlier finding any of the competitors' balls? etc. etc.

i think i would help but not sure i should.. and of course my behaviour should be consistent the whole way. if i helped on an earlier hole for a competitor i should help later on

fyi, i got grief at a good friend's club championship tennis match for cheering for a very nice shot by his opponent... really surprised me... grief from other friends/relatives, not the player himself.
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:13 PM   #12027
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if it were me and i've been spotting balls for a competitor the entire way, i'd likely speak up about that particular ball. if the son going to USC/UCLA was such a huge deal then i wouldn't have said anything at all about a competitor's ball at any time during the round. if the spectators outside the ropes have helped spot balls for everyone (including the son) throughout the course of the round i would also be inclined to pipe up about the location.
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:21 PM   #12028
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Of course I would say something. That is what separates golf from other sports imo.

If I weren't willing to do that, I would have stayed home and let son tell me how the match went when he got home.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:11 PM   #12029
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answering my own question, but i would tell all 3 players that i will spot/"forecaddy" their shots the whole round and then there's no ethical dilemna.

i don't think it's incredibly clear-cut as to parent behaviour.....

i've heard the "parental foot wedge" is not uncommon at junior tourneys. not sure if finding the ball mysteriously is an issue but then that's on the player him/herself and outright cheating.

i wouldn't do it but i think it's ok if you only forecaddy your own kid but that should be made obvious and i think if you look for competitor's ball on hole #1 then you should help him on hole #18 too.

it's like in tennis when players tell the ump to give the point to their opponent (days before hawkeye).. i think the general consensus is that if you wouldn't do it down match point then it's a much less powerful action.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:18 PM   #12030
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I would let them know for sure where it's at. I'm kind of a fan of not having parents out on the course. If they are they should be with the group and not in an advanced position to do anything nefarious.

I played an Am Tour event in December and one of the competitors had his "coach" (read: lol) walking along and waiting in the landing area for several holes. There is no way to tell if he would just kick a ball out for a clean shot or not. I know I didn't like it.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:21 PM   #12031
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I would let them know for sure where it's at. I'm kind of a fan of not having parents out on the course. If they are they should be with the group and not in an advanced position to do anything nefarious.

I played an Am Tour event in December and one of the competitors had his "coach" (read: lol) walking along and waiting in the landing area for several holes. There is no way to tell if he would just kick a ball out for a clean shot or not. I know I didn't like it.
i agree with you... i think encouraging family/friends to hang out near players most of the time would be a good think.

as per my original question, i know there are people i know and i think even foreign cultures that would roll their eyes and say "why would i help my kid's competitor?" although i may be being extremely harsh identifying an entire culture as such... i can think of some white people i know like that, for sure.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:34 PM   #12032
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You most certainly point out where any and all balls are if necessary. As Tom said, that's what separates golf from other sports.

I also might rethink "forecaddying" for the reasons others listed above. I put that word in quotes because in reality you have no official capacity out there.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:17 PM   #12033
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You most certainly point out where any and all balls are if necessary. As Tom said, that's what separates golf from other sports.

I also might rethink "forecaddying" for the reasons others listed above. I put that word in quotes because in reality you have no official capacity out there.
good point... i was just describing ball watching as opposed to thinking you have status.....

i have definitely helped players find balls at the provincial amateur that they would have had no hope of finding... and i stay outside the ropes.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:30 AM   #12034
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My good friend former lpga player who teaches mostly very rich Asian kids golf and helps coach them in to top US schools has had to basically ban the parents from the courses as some have tried to interfere on course...
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:45 AM   #12035
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My good friend former lpga player who teaches mostly very rich Asian kids golf and helps coach them in to top US schools has had to basically ban the parents from the courses as some have tried to interfere on course...
Those tiger moms can be vicious.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:12 PM   #12036
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i just started using a low lofted hybrid again. 18 degrees. can't remember what # it's labelled.

what is the reason that low lofted hybrids seem to be susceptible to giant pull hook?.... i've noticed this before and seen other people make reference to it... never had same issues with lower lofted club like driver, 3w or 3iron.

is it because 1) you don't need to worry about shanking so you feel ok going crazy on downswing??, 2) it's relatively short and easy to release hard whereas D/3W and perhaps 3i are longer and much harder to release really hard.

i just hit off rubber mats so i'll have to give it a go on the course this week.... so many issues hitting off rubber.......... am i right to think that on the rubber mats the face will keep rotation hard at impact whereas the ground/dirt of a real course will slow it down.

thx advance ... winter around here is a particularly bad time for overthinking golf as it's not that easy to go out and test your ideas in real conditions.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:38 PM   #12037
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Obviously not the point of the post, but he might be better off going to the less prestigious team.. I'd rather be a big fish in a small pond and getting playing time, than vice versa.
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:08 PM   #12038
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i just started using a low lofted hybrid again. 18 degrees. can't remember what # it's labelled.

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which 18* are you using? my 18* Apex is labeled as a 2. i believe it's 40.5" standard length.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:41 PM   #12039
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good point... i was just describing ball watching as opposed to thinking you have status.....

i have definitely helped players find balls at the provincial amateur that they would have had no hope of finding... and i stay outside the ropes.
If there are ropes and you're outside of them then there should be zero issue.
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Old 01-19-2018, 04:51 AM   #12040
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Brag: next Tuesday leaving for two weeks in Florida. Lots of great golf, except...

Beat: slight mcl problem after gettig bumped by a car, FML. Should be okay to manage with a knee-brace, but yea just whack it with hands I guess (well thats my normal technique anyway). ****.

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Old 01-19-2018, 07:30 AM   #12041
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What part of FL?
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:17 PM   #12042
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i have a "what would you do?".. not sure if it's an ethical question or not. think maybe it's just personal choice

say you're son is 16 and playing your state amateur.

tied for the lead on a late hole on the final day.

you have been going out 250 yards and forecaddying for your son and perhaps keeping an "eye" his compeitors' ball too

his competitor hits a bad drive on 17th.... can't find the ball. no one knows where it is except you....

would you tell the competitor where the ball is?.. this could be the difference between your son on USC/UCLA golf team vs. San Jose State or Nevada.

does it matter if...... ? you are inside/outside ropes (assuming roped), you have been helping earlier finding any of the competitors' balls? etc. etc.

i think i would help but not sure i should.. and of course my behaviour should be consistent the whole way. if i helped on an earlier hole for a competitor i should help later on

fyi, i got grief at a good friend's club championship tennis match for cheering for a very nice shot by his opponent... really surprised me... grief from other friends/relatives, not the player himself.
Never would occur to me not to point out his ball if I know where it is. If you don't see it and don't feel like walking around in waste high grass that might rip your clothes fine but how can you even consider not showing him where the ball is.

Also a single state am should make or break a college resume. He should be playing national AJGA if he wan't a full ride.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:54 PM   #12043
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This discussion makes me think of Goldfinger where Bond stepped on his ball.



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Old 01-20-2018, 01:48 PM   #12044
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What part of FL?
First 8 days Fort Lauderdale and checking out the Keys, last 6 a bit open. Maybe if JAX makes it to super bowl then go there to sweat it. Looks a bit of a distance but not too many hours with a car. Not a firm plan on golf courses, Golfnow looks to have offers so maybe use that. Some Trump course prolly need to fit in to show respect for the POTUS. Weather at least looks good, unlike two weeks ago lol.
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Old 01-20-2018, 07:24 PM   #12045
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Play Crandon Park in Key Biscayne if you can. I never have but the views should be good.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:58 PM   #12046
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This discussion makes me think of Goldfinger where Bond stepped on his ball.



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If my son's scholarship depended on him winning a golf tournament, this is exactly what I'd do with the ball.

And that Slazenger sweater is sharp as hell.
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:31 PM   #12047
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I'd rather my kid gut it out at community college for two years than learn a lesson like that. But his course (heh heh) in life would probably have already been misdirected by that time.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:33 AM   #12048
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Play Crandon Park in Key Biscayne if you can. I never have but the views should be good.
Thanks Scott, looks great and will try!
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:54 PM   #12049
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If my son's scholarship depended on him winning a golf tournament, this is exactly what I'd do with the ball.

And that Slazenger sweater is sharp as hell.
I was lolling at the Slazenger ball. Never noticed before that he also had the sweater.
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Old 01-22-2018, 11:01 PM   #12050
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Anyone have any experience with having a simulator inside your house? What are the perfect accommodations, or is it easier to just build a shed and put it out there? I'm currently looking at the TruGolf models.
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avoid trugolf. for simulator use, the decision is between skytrak on the low-end and GC2, which is the standard. I started with a Skytrak and fairly quickly upgraded to a GC2. Don't fall for the ES16, it is garbage and the radar units (TM and Flightscope) work best at the range, not in a simulator.


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https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum...rd-golf-course

software: Perfect Golf all the way. Stay away from TheGolfClub. It is garbage and the tour is garbage. For instance, you cannot even save a guest player profile and the multiplayer options are a joke.

JNPG has everything you would expect from a simulator and the online community is top notch (http://simulation.onlinegolftour.net/index.html).
Well? Did you do anything? Please tell me your didnt waste your money on the glorified optishot...err...trugolf.
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