do you have any spin numbers? swing speed of 115 x 1.4 smash = 161 ball speed.

using this calculator and extreme numbers, with launch angle of 9* (tour average >11) and spin of 4500 (tour average <2,700), your ball should carry 260 in calm conditions.

https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/

Anyone been at the PGA show in FLA? My friend Toni Taylor has been all week and says it has been really good. Any other reviews?

Sadly, no. You have to be in the industry to be able to get in. I was in a drawing to be a guest of someone but wasn't picked. I wonder how truly "closed off" it really is. I'm sure if there is a will there is a way.

I imagine if you gave yourself the title of official 2+2 golf corespondent you would probably get in.

It was indoors and sadly I don't have the track man results for anything but my current driver and the one I got fit for. Some of the ones I had he just deleted. For instance I skied one of my drivers with my current club and it said it went 78 yards. It was a huge miss but had to be at least 175. Some of the ones I thought I hit on the screws were 235 carry and 250 total. Then the next swing felt like a very minor miss and would be like 270 carry and 285 total.

So it looks like one of the results that seemed wrong to me never got deleted out:

club speed 116.2
ball speed 127.7
smash factor 1.10
launch angle 29.1
spin rate 8690
height 171.0
carry 156.3
total 152.8
landing angle 63.3

Even on a mis**** is a spin rate of 8690 even possible on a driver? How does it suggest I spun it back 3.5 yards? I did sky some of these but even my misses go 200+ basically always. This was with my current driver so I have a pretty good feel for my misses and I don't think any of them should have been under 200 yards.

Damn, I'm jealous.

My launch on my current driver is 9.4. The one I was fit for is 9.5 with the 3 best balls I hit right at the end being 7.8, 7.3, and 8.4. Spins on those 3 shots were the lowest of the day by far at 2560, 2600, and 2970. Those carries were between 274 and 278 with total distance of 296 to 305. I was tired by then so my club speeds were down to ~112. Everything else I hit was spinning in the 3500 range. Should I keep looking for something to get spin under 2500 and launch angles into the 12-15 range?

The other fitter saw a few swings including one of the ones I crushed. His reaction was "118 whoa...255 yards can't be right. That's something wrong with the trackman."

Conditions were sea level with no wind apparently. Spin rate was 3500 on my driver and 3100 on the one that was the best fit. He kept insisting I was trying the lowest spinning stuff they had because I told him beforehand I thought I had too much spin. He said the swing speed+very fast transition+steep attack angle meant it would be hard for me to get spin much lower ever. Some of the reason I worry about the software was that some of the ones I just crushed with my driver were coming up with carry numbers that seemed 20 yards too little.

I normally have a pull with a driver and setup for it, but my normal miss is still right (I'm a lefty) and like 90% of my shots missed the fairway right according to trackman. Does it spit out less accurate stuff if you aren't hitting it down the middle?

Swing speed for the final test I did after finding what I thought was best was 112.3 with 162.3 ball speed and smash of 1.44. Launch angle of 9.5 and 3116 spin rate. Carry of 255.3 and 278.6 total. 90.3 ft height, 36.4 landing angle, -4.4 attack angle, side total ft (not sure what this is) 168R, club path 5.3. (not sure what this is either). I was tired by this point and didn't quite feel like I could give it everything I had on these swings.

I think we might be twins based on your numbers, swing and being a lefty. I too struggle with spin rates where I just don't see sub 3k rpm numbers. My SS is 116 and on average I'm in the 270-280 range.

One difference is I play a cut (read: slice) quite a bit.

I might just buy the irons and go back and ask to try the G30 in 10.5 degree and maybe the LS as well (I didnt hit this one). I think I ended up with a shaft that is a pretty good fit (albeit a $400 fit). The irons didn't have measurable results that looked better, but they did feel a lot better when I hit them.

You need to launch it a little high asumming you are going for max distance. Right around 16 would be best and sub 2500 is about right. Play with the launch optimizer someone linked on the last page.

Here is on of mine from today to get an idea of the numbers. You swing faster than me though. I didnt have a sticker on my club so wasn't picking up the club speed just ball. I had some others but didn't right them down. 171 was my max ball speed when I was paying attention. Slightly higher launch would have gotten me a few extra yards.

Total: 323.7
Carry: 292.7
Ball speed: 165.9
Launch: 14.5
Path: 0.1 * 0>1 (not a clue what that means)
Face: 1.6 closed
Spin:2318

Launch of 9.5 with 3100 rpms is pretty suboptimal. Really need to figure out how to swing shallower with the driver. Has to be really steep. What was you AoA? Down a few degrees? Try to bump your right hip towards the target to create some spine tilt (spine leaning away from target at address ) Will help shallow out driver AoA and launch ball higher with less spin which are both good.

Anyone else a fan of the memphis 10?

I had sub 2500 spin rates on 2 of 23 swings that I took with my driver or the G30 I ended up being fit for. I don't remember seeing that spin rate on any of the ~50 shots I hit with other driver and shaft combos. Does this mean we didn't try the right equipment or is it a me thing? I did get some launches around 13-15 with some other stuff but those came with spin rates of around 4000 and he said that keeping spin down was more important than getting launch up when I asked about the higher lofts for a higher launch angle. Does that sound right?

So you think it is definitely a swing thing and what I found is probably best for my suboptimal swing? He did say that I was incredibly steep. My AoA (assuming that is the same as Attack Angle) is -4.4. When you say right hip do you mean your back hip? I am a lefty so this stuff gets confusing at times.

Yeah that's is really steep for a driver. That is why the times you were able to launch it a little higher the spin rates went through the roof.


I mentioned right hip bc I saw you say you were a lefty. If you slightly bump your front hip towards the target at address it will tilt your spine slightly away from the target and help you shallow out your AoA a little bit.

Did you happen to try a 430cc M1?

I tried one of the M1s but not sure which. It didn't feel good off the face and the Trackman apparently has a known issue picking up shots from the M1 due to whatever material they use in the head so only like 1/3 of my shots were getting picked up.

If my AoA and spin rates are what they are is the guy right that I should go with a lower than "optimal" launch since higher spin hurts higher launches more? If I flatten out my swing would I still be ok with the current option? I guess I need to call and ask him all of this. It was really weird though because I didn't get any results noticeably better than my current clubs even though a lot of the clubs (especially irons) felt better to me. Also, I took full swings with all my iron shots. When I want to just go with a smooth swing at a lower swing speed or hit a 3/4 shot will extra stiff flex be bad?

Thanks for the tips on this guys.

Spin is the ultimate distance killer so the guy is sort of correct in that you should try to tackle that problem first.

The reason I asked about 430cc M1 is that it's likely the lowest spinning driver on the market.

Reading this it is obvious you need to fix your swing flaw first before spending a bunch of money on fitted clubs. Irons maybe, go ahead and go with it, but the driver you need an angle of attack much closer to zero or a positive number. Figure out how to change that and then the fitting will make a much bigger difference.

The bolded part is when you said you were tired, but notice how much better your numbers are when you take a little off your swing. Swinging at 90% may be part of the answer to hitting it better. The other part is going to be learning to hit the ball on the upswing just a little. At 112mph if you are hitting it with ~+2.0-5.0 AoA you will easily carry the ball 270-280.

Your AoA is killing your distance with the driver. Spinning it way way way too much.

Also keep in mind if you get your AoA up to a positive number you will very likely need a lower lofted driver. Not always, but 10.5 may be too much loft if your swinging it 4* on the up.

I know for a fact this is where I lose distance. Whenever I tee it high because I need to carry trees of a dogleg my natural move is to decrease my negative AoA and that's when I have hit the biggest bombs.

I went to a trackman session 10 months ago and had a similar thing in that my AoA was fine for irons but was also hitting down with the driver. Guy told me to tilt away from the ball (maybe shifted ball pos a bit more forward, dont remember) and got angle from negative to +3ish and spin rates 2500. Swingspeed 95mph

You guys listen to any golfing podcasts? Would be great if there are some good ones to listen, maybe some that have stories like the ones on the classic threads here (read the ship-this threads recently, real gems).

I never had the ability to test my real numbers, but I know my swing and I believe I was probably hitting close to 0* or maybe very slightly down, but finding a way to make a good swing and hit 4-6* on the up has given me an extra 10-15 yards. Extra carry plus more roll because of less spin. Especially noticeable when hitting into the wind because the wind will almost seem to double the effect of backspin sending your ball straight up.

Hit it up. Don't spin it up. You get it in the air and use the spin only to keep it in the air.

Now I'm jonesing for a trackman session. So curious to see just how awful my numbers are.

My AoA for the 6 iron was like -6.6 I think so steeper than my driver. My smash was around the same with the higher swing speed on the earlier drivers too. The earlier drivers I hit the higher the swing an ball speeds due to not being tired, but the smash factors and such were still the same. I did hit my last 3 with the G30 at 296, 304, and 305 but I don't want to base a $750 drive choice off of 3 shots. All the numbers were the same except the clubhead and ball speeds were a few mph higher before I was tired. The spins were still the same though in the 3100 range for the G30 and 3500-3800 for other stuff. I was definitely -4.0 or more negative on all the AoAs for every driver I tried.

I have been fitted for a 9* and was playing a 9* before as well.

I can't imagine I figure out how to change my launch angle given I play ~20 times a year and never practice. I think I have to live with the swing I have and figure out the best fit from there. The question is whether a G30 in an extra stiff shaft is the best fit or if something else is. If I wait til I am better to get fit then that day may never come given I was a better player at age 14 than I am now.

Sounds like you might be better off investing in good lessons rather than clubs. Fix your swing and AoA