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Random golf swing question

So I can pretty regularly hit my driver 200-250...maybe 250+ with a sick roll.
My swing is probably horrific mechanics wise but I've only golfed for just a year and compared to my friends who shoot 80s/90s - I'm way more consistent with the driver.

What is it that allows guys to hit 300,315 etc compared to similar skill levels who hit way shorter?
Like on Big Break I see tony regularly hit it 300+ compared to Vince/Mike/Andrew etc who are at the same skill level and hit it shorter.
Is it mainly strength, body frame, genetics, or just tons and tons of practice at perfecting mechanics?

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12-04-2009 , 12:13 AM

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john voight

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I think technology + mechanics

shaft + ball + head

then... I think they use alot more lower body than most of us. like i hit 180-220, but as you can see from my vid im 95% upper body.

so then, they have a nice swing. way better than ours will ever be. and they just work on it from that point on, perfecting it.

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12-04-2009 , 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by john voight

it's called delayed release. my swing is top heavy as well but i avg about 125mph with the driver...i'm not sure how hard it is to learn it but it is def the key to hitting the ball tons.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3195117/Wh...Speed-Distance

http://www.breakingthedistancebarrier.com/lessonsg.htm

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12-04-2009 , 06:22 PM

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anyone ever got fitted at hotstix? i've heard good things, thinking about doing it in scottsdale.

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12-04-2009 , 09:33 PM

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JackInDaCrak

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Sustaining the line of compression + clubhead lag is how they do it.

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12-05-2009 , 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sippin_criss

anyone ever got fitted at hotstix? i've heard good things, thinking about doing it in scottsdale.

never actually went up there while i lived there, but heard nothing but great comments on hotstix

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12-07-2009 , 11:36 AM

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I don't know if anybody watched the final round of the Chevron yesterday, but I think Westwood came very close to crossing the line from "using the rules to your advantage" to "taking advantage of the rules" with his drop on 18.

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12-07-2009 , 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by manbearpig

Wow, this is so untrue. Westwood was completely entitled to a drop, as all the commentators agreed. If his stance was affected by the sprinkler head, then he gets a drop. The fact that his lie was poor, and could have been improved by the drop has nothing to do with this. It really is a non issue.

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12-07-2009 , 04:11 PM

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I think you missed my point. I am sure everyone agrees there is a line that can be crossed where you are manipulating the situation to get a ruling in your favor. I think this was close.

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12-08-2009 , 03:49 AM

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I think you missed my point. I am sure everyone agrees there is a line that can be crossed where you are manipulating the situation to get a ruling in your favor. I think this was close.

I didn't miss your point.

Was he entitled to a drop? Yes.

End of story. He then has the option of taking it or not. His lie was bad as his ball was against the collar of the rough, so he took the drop. This happens hundreds of times on the tour every year, it's nothing special at all.

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12-08-2009 , 10:29 AM

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I really do think you are missing my point.

There have been cases on Tour where guys would manipulate their stance or whatever to bring something like a sprinkler, cart path, ant hill, into play to then get relief. Which by rule is perfectly fine, but imo crosses the line I mentioned earlier.

I think Westwood potentially was close to doing a similar thing. Without being there I can't say with certainty, but I do think it is possible. And I think the rules officials hesitancy to grant relief shows maybe he was thinking the same way.

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12-08-2009 , 10:53 AM

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I do get your point, but you missed something. Westwood clearly did NOT manipulate his stance. He took his normal stance, and his foot was not ON the sprinkler head, but it was very close to it. His arguement was not on solid ground because it was very close to the sprinkler head.

If he wanted to manipulate his stance, then wouldn't he have just moved his foot the extra 1 inch into the sprinkler head? It was that close.

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12-08-2009 , 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by manbearpig

There have been cases on Tour where guys would manipulate their stance or whatever to bring something like a sprinkler, cart path, ant hill, into play to then get relief. Which by rule is perfectly fine,...

This is not perfectly fine. In fact it is against the rules.
And your right, players have at times manipulated their stance to gain advantage. If they do this and take an undeserved drop, they have broken the rules.

But,
If they fairly take their stance, and find they are entitled to a drop, then it matters not how bad their lie is, that a big clump of mud is on the ball, or that a tree that was formally in their way is now not an obstacle.
This is not cheating, and is not a gray area. It's knowing the rules, and it's good luck.

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12-10-2009 , 05:46 AM

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Its been over 2 months since I played. Weather has been terrible but last few weeks has settled down a bit so im heading out for a round today. Been playing around 20 months now and this 2 month break is the longest ive had so will be interesting to see how my swing is.

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12-10-2009 , 10:34 AM

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By manipulating their stance, I mean claim to play a club that they would really not play in order to get interference from something, then when they get the drop play a different club because the situation had changed.

To be clear, I don't think this is what Westwood did.

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12-12-2009 , 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by westhoff

never actually went up there while i lived there, but heard nothing but great comments on hotstix

Got it done yesterday, it was awesome. I wish sososososo bad that I had an extra 25k lying around so I could buy a trackman. The only club in my bag that didn't need work done was my putter, kind of embarrassing when I'm a scratch. My 6.0 project x shafts ranged from 5.1-7.0 and the kick point was too high (thx Titleist), my oldass S driver was way too stiff, and my old S 3 wd was way too soft.

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12-12-2009 , 11:42 PM

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Bought a set of used clubs yesterday for what I felt was a very reasonable price ($70). Went to the range today and proceeded to get really frustrated b/c, you know, I can't really hit the ball, and then pretty happy when I was able to hit my PW pretty well. I emailed a couple of guys about lessons so hopefully I can get some instruction sometime this week.

My goal is to not embarrass myself when I play with my dad when he comes out in April.

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12-15-2009 , 02:43 PM

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in terms of putter- why should someone go blade or say mallet? Is there a specific advantage to one or the other?

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12-15-2009 , 04:33 PM

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For me, and I don't even know if this is right, just what I've noticed, but I used a blade when I was in HS and when I started playing again. I switched to a mallet recently because a) I feel like the face stays more square to my ball throughout the swing. and b) It is heavier and gives a more smooth feel through the swing. I really have no idea what I'm talking about and am just sharing my experiences though.

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12-15-2009 , 04:34 PM

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generally mallets are for "straight-back, straight-through" strokes, and blades are for "arc" strokes (like a swinging door)

some of the mallets today have insane MOI's, (less twisting on off-center hits) which means you can mis-hit it and still make it

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12-15-2009 , 05:16 PM

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Does anyone know where I can get myself some conforming vokeys?

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12-15-2009 , 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by westhoff

cool. I've been using this like $20 blade I bought from play it again.
tried a oddesey white hot mallet and really liked the feel of it...probably gonna buy a used one

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12-15-2009 , 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sippin_criss

Does anyone know where I can get myself some conforming vokeys?

I didn't even know they existed yet.

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12-15-2009 , 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie.Dont.Surf

cool. I've been using this like $20 blade I bought from play it again.
tried a oddesey white hot mallet and really liked the feel of it...probably gonna buy a used one

Yeah I switched from crappy $20 blade to this:

And have seen a good deal of improvement.

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12-15-2009 , 08:39 PM

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sippin_criss

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I didn't even know they existed yet.

Rules aren't in effect until January 1st and stores aren't really stocking them since not many amateurs will buy them. I just ordered them for the Pepsi Tour and hopefully bigger better tours to follow, we'll see if I can still hold greens.

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