you should stop assuming you know what's best for you seeing how you're seemingly new to the game. Also, unless your friends have more education on the subject besides what they picked up watching the 19th hole on the Golf Channel you might want to ask someone who teaches/fits/plays for a living.

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Did you mean you shoot 94 per 9? Because there is absolutely no ****ing way you play bogey golf if you don't even know how to line up to the ball.

I eagerly await hate-filled responses to this article.

I only know one thing for sure, after reading that article:

they just debated it on Rome is Burning, one of the journalists raped Phil, the other sucked him off, neither side won really.

Spenda for mod imo.

Actually I had been away from the internet for over 24 hours (gasp) and I see there are a lot of active threads. Not sure if the increase in quantity is resulting in a decrease in quality though.

Lol. I mean I know the basics but I guarantee that if I paid for like 3 lessons with an instructor my swing would be totally different. I have way too much of a baseball swing that I am trying to fix. I have learned how to adjust to it but don't want to do that anymore. I am kind of starting from scratch with my swing. I have been watching videos on youtube and know what it should look like but obviously I can't mimic it yet. I will probably video tape myself next week at the range and post it on here for some help. Once I have some confidence and consistency I will probably go get them fitted and buy some new irons.

I am golfing tomorrow and it should be interesting. I'll let you know how it goes in the bbv thread.

LOL Phil:

rofl phil

such a perfect way to get the last word in, good job phil....faldo was doing pretty well too though

only if I get to play a round of golf with Mason and David

A couple days ago I took Bobby Jones on Golf off of my shelf and began re-reading parts of it. It always amazes me how fresh some of the older writing is. Despite advances in equipment and teaching and such, many of the things Jones discusses are still pertinent. One small example is the way he discussed pulling, which is a big and consistent fault of mine. Others have perhaps said similar things, but Jones discusses the problem simply and accurately. I will have to try out some of his advice, which is similar to what others have told me and that I have occasionally felt for myself. In any event, the writing is exceptional; so much more enjoyable to read than most of the writing now, and I would guess then. Throughout the good writing are nuggets of wisdom or observation that apply to golf today. You recognize them when you read them. Just because shafts and clubheads are so much different now does not mean the people who wield them are so much different from those Jones observed.

post an excerpt of what he wrote plz!

On practice swings and moving things along

"There is nothing in the rules of golf prohibiting a practice swing under any conditions or in any circumstances. Provided that nothing be done to cause the player to be guilty of improving his lie, touching the sand in a hazard, removing an obstruction or growing thing, or of doing some other act prohibited by the rules, he has the legal right to take as many practice swings as he chooses in whatever direction he may desire... While thus defining the player's legal rights, it is only fair to say that his moral right to make a nuisance of himself is not so clear. It is probably natural that a man playing golf is interested in nothing so much as his own game. It is also natural that he should attend to his opponent's game only enough to hope that said opponent will encounter enough trouble to cause him to lose the hole. But if he feels this way, he ought to remember that his companion probably entertains some such notions of his own play, and that he certainly has not come out to spend the greater part of the afternoon watching someone else take practice swings and fiddle around over a golf ball in making preparations to strike it..."

On slow play

"Whenever I see a much-considered shot go astray, I can't help thinking of the lawyer who had unsuccessfully defended a client charged with murder. The trial had been long drawn out, lasting nearly a month, and the lawyer had made quite a lot of noise and stormed eloquently in his argument. Meeting a brother lawyer on the street a few days later, the case came up in discussion. The lawyer, whose client had been convicted, asked his friend what he thought of his conduct of the trial. His friend replied, "Well, I think you could have reached the same result with a whole lot less effort."

The whole book is full of writing like this, and IMO is worthy of a read, and of course a purchase. The book was edited by Charles Price, who was an excellent writer as well. I do have collection of Price's stuff that has a section which discusses working with Jones, and that is also worth a read. I should probably pull both out around the Masters each year.

hdpm: thanks mate :]

teeing off w/ irons on short holes:

like 140yds tops, mostly around 110yds:

is it okey to just place the ball on fluffy grass (if you can find it)?
is it okey to place the ball on really flat grass

or should you always be teeing off (regardless of club).

Iv heard conflicting views: some say always use tees, other say rarely, etc...

FWI: I hit the ball well when it is on fluffy grass. However when it is on flat grass, I hit it aweful. Off tees: its not very consistent, and i feel less confident than off fluffy grass.

I suck at golf fwiw.

I'm in the always tee it camp, with irons its not very much but I don't understand why you wouldn't want to. I guess some people just dont get the right descending blow feeling when they are looking at a teed up ball and if it works for them than that's fine but I would recommend teeing up any time you're allowed to.

haha this sounds just like me, i swear i hit better shots out of the rough than i do off of really short cut grass

the answer is in your post

always use a tee. tee it down really low but you'd be crazy not to. why put it on fluffy grass so you risk getting a flyer and airmailing everything? if you tee it high with a short iron then will scoop it instead of hitting down, like you are supposed to from 140 and less.

god ppl that say "always use a tee" tilt me to no end, he already said he hits it better off grass than a tee, so why do you tell him to use a tee?

Just like 90% of golf instructors that see a student walk up with a non-standard grip and immediately flip it to where they want it, despite the fact that the guy is hitting a 40-yard slice with an azinger-esque strong grip.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Definitely in the don't have to tee it up camp. If the tee box is in good condition, I don't tee it up with anything less than a 4 or 5 iron, and very few Par 3's require that kind of shot any way.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with using a tee, I just don't think you're losing anything really. I always thought the reason to tee it up was to get the ball higher, and make it easier to stop on the green. Well, if you don't have an issue with those two things, it shouldn't really big a big deal.

Personal preference, really. HOWEVER, I think that if someone doesn't have their mind made up, using a tee is preferable to not. Having a perfect lie every time is advantageous.

Nothing in the rules states that you must tee it up. So if you can find a good lie use it. Remember you can go back up to 2 club lengths from the front line of the tee.

But do read the notice board at the course you are playing, no need to get into trouble if they 'require' that you always tee it up.