If distance isn't an issue have you tried using a 3-w off the tee for a little more accuracy? I'd imagine you have a lot of blocked 2nd shots due to trees/hazards and so you aren't left with many opportunities to get it on the green.

I dont have a 3W or 5W.. I go from Driver to a 14degree hybrid which Ive hit 215 off the ground (in a simulator) and have reached from 200+ while playing. I have teed off with it before but some of the same issues arise.

One thing I have learned mentally from facing tons of blocked shots is to take the best option, punching it between 2 trees 3 feet apart is a low % shot for pros even so why the **** would I be able to do it (I did punches it perfectly between 2 trees that distance apart yesterday but I literally hit it too well and flew the green but thats more luck than anything)

I teed off for half the holes with a 4i or 5i yesterday only pulled 1 left and the rest were fine including 1 that I put within 5yds of where I wanted (right to left draw around a tree) on a slight dogleg with perfect approach position on a 2nd shot. Issue with this is many par 4s being 400 yds it even if I pure it 200+ I still have a long iron to get on/close as opposed to a smooth 7i that I can drop in nice and pretty so I will stupidly go for it over and over again.

Good chance I hit up my instructor with just the intentions of working driver because I am way more confident/better after a good tee shot.... I am also playing in a "major" Saturday for the golf league I am in (10people all friends self tracked) so I am debating playing the entire round smart instead of saying **** it just to see what happens.

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I've heard that Dave Pelz's Short Game Bible is good. Haven't ever read it though so I don't know for sure. Perhaps someone can weigh in.

I think dagolfdoc said he wasn't a huge fan of Pelz but liked Mickelson's Book/DVD on the short game as well as Stan Utley's book.


Question about V1 Home:
Installed the Basic version and loaded some swing vids I took on my Nikon D90. When I pause and hit the step through button, instead of going one frame at a time, it goes some random number of frames. Sometimes its 2 frames, sometimes its 10-11. I would hope that the Premium version would solve this, which I was planning on buying anyway, but I don't want to spend $40 and then find out that on a lot my swings it skips from the beginning of my downswing to past impact. That's not very helpful.

Out of the ones I've read Mickelson's book is the best. A lot of people rave about the Mickelson DVD, but I haven't seen it. But in any case, the book is really great. If you've never heard of "hinge-and-hold" go out and find the book ASAP. I'm a terrible golfer but thanks to the book I'm pretty confident that I'm a better chipper than the average golfer.

Pelz's short game book is a little bit harder to follow IMO but still has some good stuff, especially in the mental/course management aspect of the short game.

lol. I think everyone does this. "Hey I got a 6 feet gap 100 feet ahead with the tree canopies starting at 12 feet. I'm in a sand-filled divot and there is 30mph wind but I don't see any reason why I can't fit it in there..."

The last time I was out I was hitting all my fairway irons thin so they were staying low. I hit a big mega-slice drive that landed clean in the other fairway (FIR, not). I grabbed a 4i and figured there was no way I'd strike it well enough to get it up into the tree canopy and sure enough I strike it just right and it flies right into the ****ing tree and falls straight down. "Oh you would ****ing figure out how to hit the damn ball now!" is basically what I yelled at myself after the shot.

After every hole I jot down any notes like "F, 2P, 1S, made 22 ft pt" which would stand for fairway hit, 2 penalty strokes, 1 sand shot. Well I played so bad last time out that my note on the 7th hole after a 10 was simply calling myself a politically-incorrect slur.

its terrible when you actually make those shots because you start to think you can, Ive tried to shots that were tough punches through trees the last 2 rounds... 1st was a perfect 7i punch to 15ft, and the 2nd was the one I mentioned that was too good and flew the green... it was literally less than a 3 foot gap, I definitely spent a little time studying the angle of the club and my line before hitting it... but it was still dumb.

I definitely have been tracking my shots more so and I need to get a little book and pencil to carry in my back pocket to track my shots and results going forward so I can use it to get better as fast as possible..

..I had one of those holes where I said things to myself like that this weekend, slice a drive but leave a standard shot out of the rough but hit a worm burner 10yds, followed by another AND another finally onto the fairway which I then topped as in the ball jumps 6 inches straight up then rests in same spot followed by same thing but it rolls backwards then I end up 30 yrds short, then skull it over, chip it on and 2 putt for a ****ing 11. Even my buddy I play with a ton was like WTF you never do that.

Of course it was after going bogey bogey to open where I am feeling good

****ing golf

Im leaning towards Mickelsons stuff since he is so good at it, plus Ive heard really good things about it...

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gotta say the Golf Forum is just crushing it lately

best sub-forum on 2p2? gotta be up there.

A 14 degree hybrid is a strong 3 wood. Maybe the shaft length isn't full 3 wood size but that loft is definitely not commonly found on hybrids. Hybrids tend to be 18 to 25 degrees with 17 degrees being uncommon and I've never heard of a 14 degree hybrid.

I believe a standard 3 wood these days is 15 degrees with a strong 3 wood being 13 or 14.

fyi cleveland made a 1 iron hybrid that was 14* don't think they were very common though

I have a Titleist 962 1 iron from my previous set. It's 17 degrees.

http://www.titleist.com/historical_c...ails.asp?id=18

Likely the best golf forum on the internet at this point.

What else is there? Like, Golfwrx? Those forums just look so bad, I just can't go there.

I have a 16* hybrid that I hit almost as long as my 15* 3wood but it lands much much softer. There's a lower center of gravity and the shaft is obviously shorter than the 3wood. I also have a gunmetal Cleveland TA1 1-iron that I believe is 17* that I don't have in the bag anymore. Every time I pick it up, I want to say in an Australian accent "That's not a knife...that's a knife!"

lol 1-iron. I can't even hit a 2 to save my life. I love seeing people hit the 1. It's so beautiful.

I hit my 2i just like the rest: solid contact, but all over the f place. I wish I could hit a 3W off the deck.

Yeah, I'm pretty bad with the 3W unless I have a good lie. Otherwise I'm hitting it 3 feet off the ground about 230 only.

I had a 1-iron in my bag back in the days. Fit my swing well, and it was so perfect into the wind as I hit my irons very high, and a 3 iron just spin up like a wedge.

Can´t hit my spoon, the better my swing is, the better I hit all my clubs except my spoon which gets worse. Makes no sense, it must be cursed or something.

Same. Not literally 3ft but not pretty. I'm now experimenting with 4w (17*) + 4h (22*) + 4i (25*? can't recall) until I stop sucking and am currently carrying 4 wedges.

Contrary to what you might think: the gap between my 4i and 4h is actually bigger than I'd like. I like weak irons mostly because I used my preferred wedge lofts as a starting point then gapped through the rest of my bag. Also, the shafts in my irons have a highish launch. I hit the 4h like 217, 4i 187, 5i 175, etc. No idea yet what my 4w distance is. I might get a weaker hybrid if necessary.

Edit: Might also change iron lofts if I stick with this setup. I have my eye on a set of mp68s, but I need how to learn to hit the ball straight first.

For a while I have also been thinking about replacing my 3w with something else. I have an old somewhat short Driver, and the 3w is kind of missplaced. My Driver goes around 265, 3w 255 and my 3i 205. This means that I have a huge gap, and my 3w is kind of useless, unless I get a driver that goes further. But actually I would prefer something with better feel that goes around 230-240.

I have always had a bad eye to rescue clubs/hybrids?, but it might be the answer. Otherwise I think a 4w would fit me well, maybe an inch shorter than standard.
Has anyone compared these things against eachother, and had any experiences?

I had the same problem, so I ditched my 3w and just added a 19* 5w,and thats what I've played for the last few years. I absolutely love my 5w, can hit it about 240 depending on the lie; it gets off the ground yet doesn't balloon way up in the air. My problem now is that I can't hit my 3-iron but still haven't gotten a hybrid. The 3i is basically there for random punch shots under trees at this point and thats it. I just have never been big on hybrids. Plus, I'd have to get it fitted somewhere to match my irons - my irons are 2 deg upright and 1.5 inches longer.

But I guess ideally, my bag would go D, 5w, 3h, 4i-Pw, Gw, Sw, Lw. All of which I already have except 3h.