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08-09-2020 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox
This is the first year that the Golf Association of Michigan is using the USGA"s GHIN system and there is something about their handicap calculator I don't get.

I asked it to compute my course handicap for the course I played yesterday. Index 11.7, 70.3/130/par 71. When I just pull the course up on the app, it says for the blue tees the par is 69. Which it clearly isn't. The lower par inflates my course handicap - it says I should get 15 shots instead of the 13 I should get.

This isn't the first time I've seen that happen -- for everything but the back back tees it seems to take shots off the par.

Is there some explanation for this?
If it’s in question then look it up on the NCRDB and enter it manually. https://ncrdb.usga.org/
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08-09-2020 , 08:44 PM
Lol his gf wouldn't embrace him because of the big C
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08-09-2020 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by EnglishLad72
Lol his gf wouldn't embrace him because of the big C
Then he spilled the trophy. She ended up giving him a kiss though, but man, that was awkward!
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08-09-2020 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Anyone who isn't Jack Nicklaus or Tiger Woods should go overlap.
I don't know if I can switch after 35 years.
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08-10-2020 , 12:29 AM
Players have won on tour with interlocking, overlap, and 10 finger grips. There's no one right way. The important thing is whichever style you use, is to have a solid, consistent grip.
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08-10-2020 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by REDeYeS00
If it’s in question then look it up on the NCRDB and enter it manually. https://ncrdb.usga.org/
Yeah, I ended up calculating handicap manually. Not a big deal for a single but annoying otherwise because it would be super easy to have it do handicaps for a group.

Edit: Reading through the GHIN FAQs while waiting on a call

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Q: When posting my score, the Par and/or Course/Slope Ratings do not match the scorecard. Why?

A: The local association is responsible for issuing Course/Slope Ratings, Par and measured lengths that appear for score posting purposes. If there is a discrepancy, the course will need to work with their local association to rectify the issue.

Last edited by Booker Wolfbox; 08-10-2020 at 09:03 AM.
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08-11-2020 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cantsitstillbr
Do any of you mid handicappers hit better on the course than on the range? I’m a 12 and I swear I develop the shanks at least 1/3rd of the time when I’m practicing. For example: yesterday I went to do a quick 30 min session to work on various 50-100 yard shots. Warmed up and first 10 minutes felt great. Next 15 minutes were literally shanks almost every shot I tried to hit no matter what I did. Never happens that bad on the course.
It depends on the range, but yeah, I've historically given little credence to how I'm hitting at the range translating to the course. In my experience, the majority of grass ranges are ****, even at private clubs. They're tight, but sloppy, and replicate some of the worst lies you'll find on the course (which I guess is ok for practice). Luckily my current club's normal range is in good condition, and they have areas with different lies/cuts of grass to practice from. I generally hit better off of mats. Range balls are also a factor.

But even hitting bad at the range doesn't = shanks. If you and I are using that term in the same way, we're on a different page. Not sure why that would be different.
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08-11-2020 , 11:56 AM
First day of three day golf trip has arrived. Playing Langdon Farms outside Portland for a work thing, then two days at Bandon. Pacific Dunes tomorrow afternoon, Bandon Trails Thurday morning, then Sheep Ranch. I'm pretty pumped. The wind was looking pretty darn mild until this morning's forecast, which has crept up to 15-20 mph, which still isn't TOO bad (and what I'm generally used to up here on the north coast).

WOOT.
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08-11-2020 , 02:39 PM
Any idea what the average senior rate is in Florida? Clearwater or Bradenton area. I'm trying to do some calculations for retirement down the road. On average, I am going to assume that we would play 3 days a week on "normal" courses and also some nicer, resort type courses.

Maybe $100/round for the 2 of us on average? About $15,000/year? Maybe that's on the low side? Heck, if that's the case, perhaps it would be better to join a country club or find a golf community.
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08-11-2020 , 03:49 PM
If y'all like golf podcasts, you need to give the recent No Laying Up episode with Joel Dahmen a listen. Dude's interesting and honest. I'm a bit of a default Dahmen fan since we grew up in the same town and I know his caddie, but objectively he's an easy guy to be a fan of.

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08-11-2020 , 06:24 PM
I had another lesson today. Told Cindy that short game is costing me 15 strokes a round (I don't think I'm exaggerating). We tried the usual pitch shot methods. Complete disaster. After 10 minutes she then told me to take a full swing with the 56 and aim for the target 40 yards out. Don't accelerate, don't decelerate, just slooooow. I hit some awful but hit some real beauties. I think I improved as much as I could in the next 20 minutes.

We'll see......
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08-11-2020 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hey_Porter
First day of three day golf trip has arrived. Playing Langdon Farms outside Portland for a work thing, then two days at Bandon.
can you believe Langdon charges $100 rack rate on the weekends this time of year?
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08-12-2020 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scottc25
You can play a provisional if you don't think you are going to be able to find it. Pro tip: If you really don't want the first one found declare it lost before you go look for it.
I guess the question is, if I'm reasonably certain it went into the bush, can I take an unplayable from the bush? Or is it a "lost ball" and I have to retee?

There's just really no way to completely lose a ball over there unless it went into that dumb bush it was headed right for...it's all shortish grass. Even if it's OB, it'd be visible in someone's yard.
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08-12-2020 , 03:03 PM
You have to physically be able to see it and verify that it's your ball. If you can't see it, then it's lost even if you are 100% certain it went in a bush (or stuck in a tree).
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08-12-2020 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
Any idea what the average senior rate is in Florida? Clearwater or Bradenton area. I'm trying to do some calculations for retirement down the road. On average, I am going to assume that we would play 3 days a week on "normal" courses and also some nicer, resort type courses.

Maybe $100/round for the 2 of us on average? About $15,000/year? Maybe that's on the low side? Heck, if that's the case, perhaps it would be better to join a country club or find a golf community.
To put in perspective the private course I belong to my monthly dues average around $600 a month. It's probably a little over $500 with unlimited cart purchasing nothing else.

Then you can do FSGA events at nice private courses throughout the year which usually run in the $60 neighborhood.
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08-12-2020 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by scottc25
To put in perspective the private course I belong to my monthly dues average around $600 a month. It's probably a little over $500 with unlimited cart purchasing nothing else.

Then you can do FSGA events at nice private courses throughout the year which usually run in the $60 neighborhood.
Thank you! Does the $600 include golf and cart for you and your spouse, or is that per person?
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08-12-2020 , 03:32 PM
Mine is set up as a cart for a single, for married it's only slightly more. I think the rate is $2,100 annually for single and then $2,700 for a family. They charge that in 12 monthly installments. Then my membership is around $350.

Any other questions just PM me. I can even email you an edited bill of mine if you want.
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08-12-2020 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
Any idea what the average senior rate is in Florida? Clearwater or Bradenton area. I'm trying to do some calculations for retirement down the road. On average, I am going to assume that we would play 3 days a week on "normal" courses and also some nicer, resort type courses.

Maybe $100/round for the 2 of us on average? About $15,000/year? Maybe that's on the low side? Heck, if that's the case, perhaps it would be better to join a country club or find a golf community.
I'd be curious what you find out. Without doing any math or investigation I'd guess that playing 3 days a week would be pretty close to the break even point for a lot of private course vs public play comparisons. Or at least close enough that better access and less driving might make the private club a more attractive option if you found one you liked that had the right facilities. Heck, with Scott's numbers, private might be a better deal even if you played elsewhere a couple times a month.
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08-14-2020 , 12:40 AM
Saw ship---this featured on George Bryan's (PGA tour Wes Bryans brother) YouTube video today. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPmtrxpguuI
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08-15-2020 , 03:08 PM
Got new irons, had them loft/lie adjusted at a PGASS. My pattern with my previous irons (lie angle fit to me at a different clubfitter) was fairly straight, with misses/sidespin to the left but not extreme. With the new irons, I pushed/sliced nonstop. Got them checked by my original clubfitter, and they ranged between 1 & 2 degrees flat, and this was after supposedly being adjusted to their "standard" loft/lie.

Also, my 56* wedge I asked to be bent to 55* was bent to 58* by PGASS. And my 60* was bent to 62*. Worst $35 I've spent on golf
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08-16-2020 , 03:15 PM
looking at 2019 pga vs. lpga data................ i'm particular interested in driver swings....... basically, men have faster swings AND more shallow (or negative) angles of attack.

here is driver data for PGA/LPGA..... and i will post link in next message.

clubhead speed, AoA, launch, spin, carry..

PGA:

113, -1.3, 10.9, 2686, 275

LPGA:

94, +3.0, 13.2, 2611, 218.......

and some pga long hitters are probably lower trajectory.. champ is very low launch. BDC is very low driver loft.

MY QUESTION: would PGA and LPGA be the same swing?.. just move ball up and/or tee it higher for LPGA... and maybe LPGA standing closer to ball as upward movement = more curve back to inside by club path.

i am very frustrated that i seem to hit high drives. marginally ok carry distance. i'm happy. but then people roll up to 50 yards to my ball.... i want to lower ball flight (spin?) to get that roll.. i'm wondering it i hit down on ball too much (unintentional) and and hit fat, spinny drives.

thx advance
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08-16-2020 , 03:19 PM
https://www.golfmagic.com/equipment-...pga-tour-stats

i've always been mystified by driver swing.......seems like AoA is continuous function from wedge to 3wood. and then big jump to driver. but pros tell me "it's the exact same swing" (i think in certain ways....... there is no doubt there are some differences. distance from ball, ball position, stance width, open/closed etc. but i think they mean the general swing rhtym is the same.
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08-16-2020 , 04:38 PM
I swing my driver way too similar to my irons... extremely steep. I want to rework my driver swing but my irons are the best they've ever been so I don't want to screw that up. Debating on getting my first lesson.
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08-16-2020 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rivercitybirdie
looking at 2019 pga vs. lpga data................ i'm particular interested in driver swings....... basically, men have faster swings AND more shallow (or negative) angles of attack.

here is driver data for PGA/LPGA..... and i will post link in next message.

clubhead speed, AoA, launch, spin, carry..

PGA:

113, -1.3, 10.9, 2686, 275

LPGA:

94, +3.0, 13.2, 2611, 218.......

and some pga long hitters are probably lower trajectory.. champ is very low launch. BDC is very low driver loft.

MY QUESTION: would PGA and LPGA be the same swing?.. just move ball up and/or tee it higher for LPGA... and maybe LPGA standing closer to ball as upward movement = more curve back to inside by club path.

i am very frustrated that i seem to hit high drives. marginally ok carry distance. i'm happy. but then people roll up to 50 yards to my ball.... i want to lower ball flight (spin?) to get that roll.. i'm wondering it i hit down on ball too much (unintentional) and and hit fat, spinny drives.

thx advance
Actually the LPGA players have a more shallow swing with their drivers as seen by their positive angle of attack. (hitting up on it)

In a nutshell, the women are more efficient with their drivers because they need all the distance they can get. The men have power to burn and so they hit down on the ball slightly to hit it straighter while forfeiting distance.

In order to maximize driver distance you have to do several things.

1, have a shallow swing through the hitting area. Imagine a very fat U swing, not a V swing. This keeps the spin down.

2, swing path needs to be inside out. This creates a draw bias and also lower spin.

3, hit up on it. Ideal launch can be anywhere from 13-17 degrees, this seems very high to most.

If you can do all these things simultaneously, you can hit hit high, drawing knuckleballs that both carry and roll forever. It's not easy to accomplish consistently.

The people that sneak it up with you are able to hit the driver with little spin. Has nothing to do with trajectory.
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08-16-2020 , 07:01 PM
I was shopping the bay this evening out of curiosity, looking to see what might be out there in a higher lofted hybrid. I really like the 25* I have and even though I've had pretty good success dialing it down -- stock is 165, I used it on an approach from 145 today and hit my target -- I wouldn't mind getting rid of the 5 iron too.

Seems like the 27-28-29 degree range isn't very common and the ones that are predominantly have senior flex or ladies flex shafts. I wonder why that is -- they don't sell due to ego?
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