Nope, it would be dumb as **** to be able to sign an incorrect scorecard and have the maximum penalty be having the scorecard corrected if it's caught by teeoff the next day. Might as well just tell people directly they're encouraged to cheat whenever possible.

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until (and probably even if) every players every shot is televised (never), I have a huge issue with allowing for viewers to call/write in rule violations accusations.

it holds 10% of the field, not to higher standards, but to higher scrutiny, and that is unfair.

The one good thing that will come of this is there is probably zero chance the USGA doesn't go forward with the new call in rule in 2019

It's actually unfair to the players who don't get as much TV time. It's a benefit to have the world watching you and helping you get your scorecard correct. I'm sure as a person of extreme integrity, Lexi wouldn't have wanted to win by reporting an incorrect score.

This is a poor arguement. What about when that 10% of the field finds their ball with help from a TV replay?

The people who don't get golf (most of you) probably think my last post is sarcastic, but it's far from it.

If you asked a tour player "Would you consider it a benefit to have the gallery or TV viewers notify you of a possible rule breach or incorrect scorecard before submitting the final card on Sunday?" every single one would say yes, at least if they have any integrity.

Lexi is very fortunate she was informed of the mistake before the end of the round so she had a chance to win the tournament fair and square. I'm sure she'd be beside herself right now if she had "won" only to find out she signed an incorrect scorecard and won on a mistake.

Would it be better if instead of Lexi currently being in an unfortunate situation, the rest of the field would have been robbed of a chance to win because the "winner" reported her score incorrectly and got away with it? Of course not.

This would be the worst possible outcome. This isn't like hockey where if you crosscheck someone when the ref isn't looking it didn't happen.

Meh. Pro golfers care more about keeping their sponsors happy than they care about integrity for integrity's sake. How do I know this? Because pro golfers are human beings, at least the vast majority of them are.

Phil made an interesting observation:



https://twitter.com/GolfDigest/statu...49723425255424

"So rather than address that specific instance, what I would say is this: I know a number of guys on tour that are loose with how they mark the ball and have not been called on it. I mean, they will move the ball two, three inches in front of their mark, and this is an intentional way to get it out of any type of impression and so forth and I think that kind of stuff needs to stop," Mickelson said.

So Phil agrees that this type of behaviour is intentional cheating and needs to stop. I don't think he could have called her out more directly without calling her out directly.

I also agree with him that it should be handled within the tour, and if what he's saying is true, it should have been handled a long long time ago before it became a problem. But if other players aren't willing to call their playing partners out on it and they insist on cheating anyway then I'm totally fine with them getting ****ed over for cheating when they're playing for the highest stakes on televised tournaments.

Based on Phil's comments I'm gonna revise my earlier numbers and say it's probably at least a thousand to one she wasn't intentionally improving her ball position.

You could probably find 100 different times in a tournament (if you had a camera on every marked ball) where a ball was misplaced by at least as far as lexi's was and plenty of those would not be intentional. Why on earth would she intentionally move it on such a short putt?

There is no way this even gets noticed if she tosses the ball to her caddy then replaces it from behind. Saying she did it on purpose is basically saying she meant to cheat and also did it in the stupidest way possible and for no apparent advantage. I mean she moved it to the side not even closer. Did she even improve her make percentage by .001%?

Saying that she should be happy about this call is the same as saying that lebron should be happy if he's called for a travel on a routine play in the NBA finals bc he took an extra step even though NBA refs have allowed that step in every game for decades. Or the same as saying it's a good idea to not call a runner out at second on a double play in the World Series bc the fielder didn't touch the base even though there are decades of precedence for it not mattering and the neighborhood play being ok.

I do agree it should be called every time but calling it once in a high leverage spot and a day late and ignoring it every other time is farrrrr worse than consistently ignoring it.

this is why the opinion of people who don't play golf is completely worthless

Seems like someone has rightly earned their screen name.

Yeeeees So YEON RYUUUUUU thanks for the masters roll


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i have been playing golf for ~30 years, and i think your opinion is completely worthless!

if being a life nit is how you get off on golf, whatever.

others play it casually, recreationally, socially, seriously, for health and well being, or once in a blue moon to spend time with a close friend or loved one.

all these people use the rules in the spirt of the game. even if some don't know all the rules or follow it religiously, they can all "get" golf.

for them it may not be about nit picking at every **** infraction. rather about the enjoyment of play, good company, beautiful environment, great memories.

who are you to say their opinion of something regarding the game is worthless?!
they are just as if not more important the to game as you will ever be with that attitude.

you seem like the guy out there who is always playing, but you could swear he looks like he is not enjoying it. focusing on all the things that are going wrong in the round. prone to blowing up a lot. slamming clubs.

hate playing with that guy. sucks the life out of the round.

I can confirm that I'm the rules nit who likes to enforce things like hitting 3 off the tee after an OB tee shot and actually following the rules in lost ball situations rather than taking a free drop "cuz they would have found it if it was on TV" when playing for money or when I'm responsible for attesting someone's score in a tournament. I'm also the jack*** who speaks up at a poker table when the dealer starts pushing the pot to the wrong guy at showdown. I really suck the life out of a poker game too.

You are right though that I'm the guy out there who's always playing. And I play by the rules of golf when I'm out there because it's way more fun that way. But if I'm playing in your group I couldn't care less what rules you play by unless we're playing for money. And I probably did slam a club or two when I was 14.

For the record, the "spirit of the game" in professional competition is very different from the spirit of the game when a group of weekend double bogey golfers are out there drinking beer with buddies. There is no room for intentionally moving your ball on the putting green in the former.

I have played golf for 20+ years now.

I am also a huge nit about the rules and I think almost everyone on 2p2 except you somehow knows that. The problem with the penalty on Lexi is not that they called it on her, its that they didn't analyze every single other ball that was marked all week and call penalties on the other players (and maybe even more on Lexi) when they also moved their ball from the initial spot. If you're going to use a zoomed in slo-mo to call a penalty on one player then you need to look at EVERY single similar situation and see if anyone else committed a penalty of similar nature. If she was the only one that did it then fine, but ignoring other potential penalties is bull****.

I have hit 11 off the tee before because I hit 5 tee shots oob and refused to write down a lower score so yea, I get the rules.

You're advocating for selectively applying the rules when they should be applied universally. In taking an email from a viewer and only looking at one shot instead of analyzing all similar situations they are selectively applying the rules. Someone who is nitty should be able to see this and would want all players to have it applied to them this harshly.

The problem is you still think penalties are "called". That's not the case. She wrote the wrong score down and they found out and were gracious enough to let her fix it when a DQ would have been appropriate. That's all.

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And the "they can't stop the whole field from cheating so she should get to cheat too" argument sucks. How anyone who has the most basic understanding of the game can argue that is beyond me.

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all those arguments are fine and well. my issue is with outside influence.

players, caddies, officials...they can all call it. they are the stakeholders. not some dude on his couch.

if integrity is such an issue and they miss something during play, they can review everything and issue fines/suspensions if they want. just cut the fans out of the process imo.

If this wasn't called on her then what happened? It seems like they found out because they reviewed tape and then told her what the penalty was. Why didn't they review tape of every ball that was marked all week?

The whole penalty for a maybe a fraction of centimeter off is stupid, probably happens all the time and no one can tell. The take away is that if this hold is a pro need to mark the ball, step back and then replace it. Doing it in one motion to align up a putt can lead to this stupidity. If picked up and a 30 second delay no one can tell if it is in the same spot or not.

of course it happens all the time which is why I find it weird that stinkypete thinks its good that a penalty was called on Lexi but not any of the other players who did it in the same tournament.

And yes, if she had walked behind the mark and then replaced it 20s later or something then it probably doesn't even get noticed despite extra scrutiny.

There is a very good chance this was motivated by someone betting against Lexi calling it in which is obviously not good either.

I agree professional golfers should play by and enforce every rule. My response was to your quote regarding "worthless" opinion as highlighted in my post!

and a nit jackass isnt the one correcting dealer where the pot is pushed. Its the one who plays 1 hand an hour and then throws a fit about the whale who's down racks and wants to buy in more than the cap when rest of table agrees!

regarding the lexi penalty, many others itt have made very logical points of why the process is unfair. however you just ignore it or it doesn't resonate in your thick headed nit brain.

So here's another one. what if the viewer at home hates lexi and loves ryu. so they see an infraction by ryu but dont call it in. they then see lexi's infraction on same day but decide to call it in a day late so she can get maximum penalty. How is that fair to the field? but hey you live in a black and white world right?