Considering I quoted the poster saying "If that doesnt say conceded putt then I dont know what does." then the answer to that should be fairly obvious.

Oh, yeah. Was obv. My bad.

It was interesting for me to hear the referee say that a putt could be conceded by (the other team/player) simply walking off the green.

I had a match play competition this May and lost a hole by picking up a marker when the putt hadn't been conceded. There was a group behind us pressing us for a few holes and the putt we had was less than two feet. The other team claimed the hole (they were like 4 down at the time and this meant 3 down going to 9). My partner and I were pissed and beat them like 6 and 4.

You're wrong but it's irrelevant anyway as Lee has stated she thought she heard someone say "it's good" and that's why she picked up the ball. Nothing to do with body language.

The mistake was 100% Lee's and she broke the rules. Peddersen's error of judgement was trying to extract an unmerited advantage for which she has apologised. Lee should apologise for being a cry baby who caused the whole incident.

crybaby: a person, esp a child, given to frequent crying or complaint

She cried at the end b/c she screwed her playing partner (and team) big time. I didn't see any complaining by Lee. For the most part, she took it like a big girl, accepted responsibility, and said the incident was a valuable learning experience for her going forward. Incidentally, she went out in her singles match and kicked ass.

She owes nobody an apology. LOL at suggesting as much.

Lee should apologize for picking up that ball without verbally hearing from anybody that it is good. Anyone who has played competitive match play knows this. You ask if it is good. I don't even assume a ball that is on the edge of the cup is good.

lol @ you for not reading my post. I lol'd at Davies' comment because it went so strongly AGAINST Pettersen. I was happy someone like Davies stepped up and put some context into the situation.

Here is the Yahoo article stating that the referee believed the hole had been halved.

She has since "apologized" for her "lack of sportsmanship." Somebody got to her that nobody on tour had her back on this.

To me, both sides are to blame....responsibility, Lee 60%, Pettersen 40%.

On a big stage like this, in that specific situation, I think Lee should have double-checked whether or not it was good. That was far enough past that, in an even match on 17, even if we've been giving those all day, there might be a pop quiz on that one. Perfectly legit gamesmanship.

That said, the way the Euros started walking off the green as soon as the putt went by the hole, that body language says concession to me. If I'm going to make you putt something that I might have conceded all day, I'm making it pretty clear that's the case. I do it by just not moving or saying something. I'm certainly not starting to walk towards the next tee.

Still, Lee bears more blame in this one. There are cases in matches where I KNOW I heard my opponent say "good" and I still look up and confirm it. I can't imagine I'm not doing it on this big a stage.

Why not both their partners getting any blame?

Lee's partner could have said something.
Pettersen's partner could have said something.

Lee wasn't playing Pettersen.
It was team vs. team.

Pettersen getting way too much blame. Lee should apologize for picking it up.

Lee came off as an idiot on Saturday

She and her partner got boat-raced in the fourball match. During the post match interview, she's smiling and waving to the camera

If she had the chance I'm sure she would have, however for all practical purposes Lincicome didn't have enough time to stop her before she picked up. It isn't like Lee looked around to ask, she just proceeded quickly as if the putt was conceded.

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Again, where does this about Suzann walking off the green come from? Is there any footage showing this?

Did anyone ask Hull why her and her caddie? started marching off the green after the first putt was missed?

Yes, she said they were walking towards Pettersen.

Again, first off, Lee made a mistake.

Now, lol at Hull saying she was walking to go talk to Suzann. Total b.s. She was walking to the next tee box.

The putt has been estimated to be anywhere from 16 to 18 inches from the cup. Yeah, let me walk over to my partner to see if we want her to putt the foot and a halfer. What a joke. This lie just frames the Euros in more negative light.

It was Suzanns caddie who walked away with Hull - Hulls caddie was lagging behind.

The next tee-box and Suzann were in the same direction, so I'm not sure why anyone can be so sure it must've been one over the other. Considering Suzanns caddie was walking in the same direction, I'd think Suzann was more likely the target than the next tee.

And yes it was a short putt, but it's hardly unbelievable that they would want to see Lee make it in that situation. AS on the 17th in the SC with the pressure a first timer would be feeling?

Pretty sure the putt that lost Scott Hoch the 89 Masters was no longer than that one.

Again, lest we forget, Allison made a mistake by picking up her ball.

Hull is simply trying to save face. She doesn't motion towards Suzann, she never looks back at the hole/Allison. Basically, she is full of ****. In a way, I think she comes out of this a bit worse than Suzann by saying what she said trying to cover for Suzann. It is so transparent and hollow.

If you want your opponent to putt again, you don't walk towards the next tee and turn your back to the hole/opponent. On the contrary, you stand in place and stare at the hole/ball (especially when you're the closest opponent to the hole in a team match). You don't move.

Here is the video again showing Hull's action after the missed putt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVP7x0I5AUQ

So she was supposed to stand there and yell to Suzann while they debated if they were going to give it? They were quite far apart - one of them had to move if they were going to talk about giving the putt or not.

I can't read her mind so I can't say what her intention was at the time, but there is nothing in the footage that contradicts what she's saying.

As previously noted, the next tee and Suzann were in the same direction so the whole "they're walking to the next tee" is just speculation.

I'm obv giving my opinion.

What she said is obv, basically, all she can say. What else is she going to say?

But we know it's b.s. b/c a professional golfer with match play experience (playing in her second Solheim Cup) knows to stay put and stare at the hole/ball/player in that spot in the intention is to make the opponent putt again.

Ligastar, look at the yahoo video linked above - there is no way that Hull's caddy or the US group thought the hole was over. They are definitely very uneasy as soon as Lee picks up.

I said "Euros"...not Suzann. Clearly she's not in frame. Yes, for all we know she may have had her feet planted and never moved. Hull and Euro caddies are in frame, however.

Now we're just full-on guessing at body language, but to me, the way Hull and the "outside" caddie start walking, gut reaction is concession. The caddie who was standing in the middle lagged, letting the other caddie pass, with the "eh, maybe not...." movement.

All that said, I don't think there's any question Lee made the mistake here, and learned her lesson I'm sure. USA paid the proper price for the mistake.

Clearly, I'm not talking about the Euro caddie or the U.S. group. I'm talking about Hull.

Again, Lee was clearly at fault for picking up the ball. That's not in dispute.

Article on the Golf Channel website sums it all up nicely...

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/rand...g-solheim-cup/

If its me, I'm not moving first of all. I'm looking at my opponent, then my partner and shrugging. I'm not doing anything that could be construed as a concession. Doing what I said is certainly going to make it clear at least that isn't a no-brainer gimmie. If my partner wants to overrule me (and Suzann would presumably have rank in this scenario), fine. We can always concede as she's over the putt, but if I say or do something that says "good", hole is over.

Again as I've said before, nothing absolves Lee from picking this up prematurely. The right ruling was made. Even though it may have "looked" like a concession in some people's eyes, it is clear there wasn't one.

Yes, very well said.