D Wetzel have a nice life, you clearly had no idea what you were trying to argue and what I was even arguing when you jumped in. No point in continuing this discussion.

Mods hopefully you can clean this up because this is the Spieth Appreciation thread!

Never said it was closing out but either way I am done here, see above post

If you want to bet on whether or not Spieth closed it out, I will for sure do that but Im not going to argue this anymore.

There was a time when cwice said he'd ban anyone who used the "I play competitive golf" or "my handicap is better than yours" card.

Yet every other post but BYN is exactly this. And now he's calling people gay expletives without punishment.

Wonderful.

I'd report it but Tuq doesn't gaf about what I might report. Someone who Tuq doesn't hate needs to report this guy pronto so that he gets a couple days off.

EDIT: Nevermind - I reported it.

Racist. Only called him that because he is a miscer (pretty sure)

like, I don't even know what your point is here

if it's "it takes luck to win golf tournaments" I think we could have just nodded at each other and not had this conversation because no ****ing **** it takes luck to win golf tournaments, unlucky people just don't win them

but if it's "ZOMG SPIETH SUCKS BECAUSE HE JUST GOT LUCKY TO WIN PLAYOFFZ BECAUSE IT WAS AGAINST CHOKERZ !!!!1!!!" as it seems to be from you, then LOL you for being terrible.

The fact that you further don't seem to understand simple concepts like "birdie on the 18th hole of the John Deere Classic is not easy" despite your being a professional golfer who is clearly good enough to not birdie holes on a regular basis is just sort of icing on the cake. But yeah, have a nice life or something.

Spieth is my favorite player on tour. Have made that pretty clear I root for him week in and week out for years now. Have no issue saying he luckboxed hard on 18 and then in the playoff

Spieth got very lucky to win in the way he did. If you dont agree then Im not really sure what to tell you because you apparently watched a completely different finish in some other universe that was not televised here in the US

This was my entire argument from the get go. ARC blew it out of proportion and then you jumped in D Wetzel failing to read my posts from the start. And now we are here.

I bet any amount of money you want that he won the tournament
I bet he shot the third best round of the day on Sunday to even get into the playoff including shooting 31 on the back 9
I bet he got the trophy
I bet he got the exemptions that come with winning
I bet he rubbed the money and/or oversized check all over some fine tittays

based on those criteria I would say that he definitively closed it out

whether he did it with the flair and panache you seem to want from your tournament winners is really a you problem

This. And haven't read much of this thread but figured I skim it while ****ting.

4 vs 4.12 is equal to 2 shots a round, ldo. Ya know what 2 shots is worth? A ****ing ton.

I mean if I gave NXT 2 shots extra a round id only have him by 2 shots....Kidding!

My lord, this thread turned terrible fast.

To add my $.02, I'm fairly sure that if Spieth were to average 4.00 on the 18th hole over (Field Size * 4) attempts, that would be a statistically significant difference in score. In other words, he would expect to beat the field by making par on the hole.

I'm guessing you've never played competitive golf before. If you don't hole out from 150+ yards you don't deserve to win.

Thanks for banning him btw. He's not nearly a good enough poster to be dropping thinly-veiled "F" bombs on people. Nobody is but he really isn't.

guess I should have taken that bet

But if you hole out from a greenside bunker and somebody else misses a 10 foot putt to beat you then you "luckboxed".

People still really use the word ***got?

http://pblackmar.wordpress.com/2014/...ieths-journey/

Good article, I don't like how the author closed it out though.

Ok, no clue why, but I SKIMMED the last few days of this to make a couple points. I honestly can’t figure out which side sounds worse or who I would side with there is so much hot air going on.

Yes, I would feel like I won that playoff. Ya know, cuz I did. The object is to beat the field. Had Van de Velde played 18 at Carnasty correctly with a few 7 irons and a 3 putt would he have won or been a pussy?

I 100% can identify a difference in swing AND walking tempo. I’ve ranted on the difference in Tiger’s current putting and preshot routine here many times and the consistency of his entire timing while playing golf. He does not have that same timing anymore and that shows he does not have the same mental processes he used to. Jordan had a completely different demeanor on the front nine at Augusta. I literally called it to my wife that he was moving WAY TOO fast as he kept scorching the front 9.

This, ldo.

In the golf world par is arbitrary. To the guys that invented the game par is arbitrary. Actually that isn't even true, PAR DIDN'T EXIST. They added up their 18 hole scores and compared the number. The inward and outward 9’s at the links courses could literally play 5+ shots different day to day depending on the wind of the day so stating a goal score on each hole meant NOTHING. My dad told me a great story of the first time he played some links course over there. He got to the first hole and asked the caddie “what’s the par on this hole”, the caddie replied “what’s the difference?” Truer words have never been spoken.

As for the "how many times would both bogey it?" Well, they bogeyed it that time, and that is the only time that matters. That means that Jordan handled the situation better than they did. Period.

Beyond that, yes the hole out on 18 was lucky as hell, but how does one decide at which point luck counts against a player or for them? The putt Kaymer made on 17 at TPC was lucky as ****, by definition that putt simply isn’t holed very often. Did he hit a good putt? Sure, but is was luck that that specific putt dropped. He still got the trophy, money, exemptions, points, etc. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who wins on Tour got extremely lucky that week. With only 72 holes to get lucky on why does it matter if your massive luck came on the 72nd or the 3rd?

Was the win as thrilling as Stricker’s shot from the fairway bunker coupled with a make from off the green? No, but the win was just as valid if not even more considering it was his first Tour win.

It's a great and valid quote IMO. I heard a Tim Ferriss podcast the other day talking about modern philosophers vs. ancient, art critics vs artists, and athletes vs announcers. The point is that how can one who has never been in that position possibly know how to critique what is going on? Can you offer counsel if asked and are part of his team? Sure, but to sit at a mic and say that at the age of 20 he is missing some factor because he couldn't close out the Masters while also saying that rookies never win is an absurd line to take.

Obviously.

Good posts, ship.

BYN would call only Shwartzel's Masters win "legitimate" because he closed with 4 birdies. But I bet he completely forgets he had (IIRC) 2 hole-outs earlier in the week.

I actually agree, I was making what I thought was a pretty obvious joke at the expense of the last couple pages.

Im back! Not going to argue this anymore that is for sure. But I am convinced none of you watched that Spieth playoff last year. You do realize it wasnt a one hole playoff yeah?! It went 5 holes in which Spieth played horribly for the first 4 getting gifts that ZJ and Hearn missing putts they usually make especially the 3 and a half footer on the 4th playoff hole. This is why Spieth was very fortunate. Definitely a valid win but if the avg percentages played how the way they should have, Spieth loses. You cant possibly ignore this point if you are going to argue that Spieth made 4 when the avg for the week was 4.12.

The funny part is when you say you aren't going to argue something right before arguing it. A good microcosm of the BreakYaNeck experience right there

Lol was just stating that. Had no intentions of doing more

Here's the authority BYN wanted us to appeal to. Just in case he missed it.