Ok, no clue why, but I SKIMMED the last few days of this to make a couple points. I honestly can’t figure out which side sounds worse or who I would side with there is so much hot air going on.
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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
Ask any of the golfers here who have played competitive golf that if they won with par in a 3 hole playoff if it felt like they really won that playoff or if they felt it was a gift the others faltered and both made bogey
Yes, I would feel like I won that playoff. Ya know, cuz I did. The object is to beat the field. Had Van de Velde played 18 at Carnasty correctly with a few 7 irons and a 3 putt would he have won or been a pussy?
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Originally Posted by Your Boss
There is a zero percent chance you, or anyone, can identify a Sunday swing from one earlier in the week, outside of like the clothes he was wearing.
Announcers do this same **** all the time when someone misses a fairway or green. "Well Bill, he tweaked his noggle an extra bit on that one", when in reality you can't see a single bit of difference between that swing and one they pipe. It's fractions of degrees ffs.
I 100% can identify a difference in swing AND walking tempo. I’ve ranted on the difference in Tiger’s current putting and preshot routine here many times and the consistency of his entire timing while playing golf. He does not have that same timing anymore and that shows he does not have the same mental processes he used to. Jordan had a completely different demeanor on the front nine at Augusta. I literally called it to my wife that he was moving WAY TOO fast as he kept scorching the front 9.
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Originally Posted by ntnBO
You can't notice the positions, but you certainly can notice the timing and speed from the top. But on Master's Sunday you didn't even have to notice that as he had either 5 or 6 swings where he finished one-handed. Pretty good indication of bad timing when that happens.
You're mostly right about the swing, you could also notice things like spending different amounts of time over the ball or extra waggles or similar.
BO
This, ldo.
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Originally Posted by wild will
In what world is par arbitrary? I honestly don't remember the last hole of that playoff but its the fk'n john deere classic not the us open, it wasnt a monster where par is a good score for these guys. If they played the hole 10 times how often do johnson and hearn both bogey? Once or twice? Speith played well to be in that position of course, but he didnt go out and snatch the win in the playoff which is what everyones saying and youre not grasping.
In the golf world par is arbitrary. To the guys that invented the game par is arbitrary. Actually that isn't even true, PAR DIDN'T EXIST. They added up their 18 hole scores and compared the number. The inward and outward 9’s at the links courses could literally play 5+ shots different day to day depending on the wind of the day so stating a goal score on each hole meant NOTHING. My dad told me a great story of the first time he played some links course over there. He got to the first hole and asked the caddie “what’s the par on this hole”, the caddie replied “what’s the difference?” Truer words have never been spoken.
As for the "how many times would both bogey it?" Well, they bogeyed it that time, and that is the only time that matters. That means that Jordan handled the situation better than they did. Period.
Beyond that, yes the hole out on 18 was lucky as hell, but how does one decide at which point luck counts against a player or for them? The putt Kaymer made on 17 at TPC was lucky as ****, by definition that putt simply isn’t holed very often. Did he hit a good putt? Sure, but is was luck that that specific putt dropped. He still got the trophy, money, exemptions, points, etc. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who wins on Tour got extremely lucky that week. With only 72 holes to get lucky on why does it matter if your massive luck came on the 72nd or the 3rd?
Was the win as thrilling as Stricker’s shot from the fairway bunker coupled with a make from off the green? No, but the win was just as valid if not even more considering it was his first Tour win.