I guess you dont think he got lucky and I think he got incredibly lucky. All it really comes down to

No, you just have no concept of luck, that's all.

Luck is only probability taken personally guys, play nice.

I absolutely do. Since this is a poker forum let me ask you this. You are 95% ahead with the river to come and you lose. Did you get unlucky or however you want to put it?

Luck comes and goes. You are completely ignoring the fact that he got himself in position to win the tournament.

You also have NO CLUE if Spieth ran hot or cold in the luck department for that ENTIRE tournament. None at all. You just look at one damn putt and proclaim that he was lucky because only the final 3 holes of a tournament matter.

Tell me, how many balls of his settled in divots? You have no ****ing idea because you only watch the last few holes of a tournament.

Actually you probably didn't even watch this one because Tiger doesn't play it.

I have known who Jordan Spieth was longer than you have been playing golf probably. Been following the kid since he was like 13. I probably watch more golf than you also as I try and watch every single tournament as much as I can but then again you do have 25k posts here so you dont really have much time to do anything else other than sit around a computer

I will use another word for you then. He was very very fortunate to even get in the playoff and then was even more fortunate to have what happen actually happen which gave him the win.

ARC and BYN :
both of you guys need to sit this one out for awhile.

You win. Jordan Spieth and Zach Johnson would die from laughter if they heard you declare you've played "competitive golf". Go ahead and tell Spieth to his face that his win is undeserved because he didn't albatross the first playoff hole. He'll probably have you removed from the premises for being a lame heckler.

You read what you want to read. Where did I say his win was undeserved? All I am saying is that he was super fortunate on 18 and then had a lot of breaks go his way in the playoff. He didnt do anything to win the playoff, ZJ and O hearn just did things to lose it.

In before an all caps response about how par is so good and he closed them out

ARC, I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish here. Please consider that others may be better golfers than you are, have played a lot more than you have at high levels, and have more understanding of playing on the PGA tour than you do.

Personally, I have played golf with Sam Snead and hit balls in a thunderstorm with Tiger Woods. That doesn't make my opinions about golf always correct, but at least they are based upon a breadth of golf experience. And I consider that others on this forum have much more experience than I do.

I am sorry but your history of posting on this forum does not buy you much consideration in these matters.

Yes he did. You don't seem to grasp the concept of winning. It is outperforming your competitors - not outperforming some arbitrary thing called "par".

Bubba Watson 2012 - undeserved Masters win due to winning playoff with Par. His drive was terrible!!! What a choker.

Charl Schwartzel the only worthy Masters champ in recent history due to birdieing final 4 holes. Nobody else worthy.

That doesn't even make a lick of sense.

Anyway I'm done with you forever. You are on Ignore now. Not even BO is on my Ignore list - that's how bad you are.

Have a wonderful life.

It is posts like these that show your lack of experience. Bubba Watson winning in a playoff is 100% irrelevant in this scenario. My whole point is Spieth won a playoff with par against 2 others. That never happens but you decide to post something way off topic as usual.

ARC want to make a poll on this and bet on the results? Put your money where your mouth is

Don't bother dealing w that clown.

Agree with this. It was David Hearn and johnson. Spieth ran goot

Welcome to the club! I wonder how many of us there are now....

I'd love to hear the respective opinions on Faldo's first three major titles

(muahahaha)

Look at the responses ARC and yet you think Im the clueless one..... smh

It would depend on the difficulty of the hole(s) in question. In sudden death, if we started on 18 at Sawgrass, winning with par would be very valid, if we started on 16 then winning with par would be a huge gift. It also might depend on the tournament, winning a major with par is better than winning the Hope with par.

Many years ago I was in a four or five man playoff at a Nike Tour qualifier, parred five holes in a row and won the playoff. Cameron Beckman was the last to fall. Don't remember many details, but of course was happy I won. Didn't care there were no birdies involved.

So in the end, it just depends on many things. But the answer is usually obvious.

BO

I don't know. 16 might encourage players to go for hero shot to make birdie and bogey results, leaving the last man standing the winner.

Don't hear Nicklaus crediting Doug Sanders, or Faldo with Scott Hoch, Els with Scott, etc. It takes tremendous skill to put oneself in position to win, and crazy things can and do happen.

Two of the more fortunate wins I can recall:
-1976 Memorial. Roger Maltbie hits it 20 yards right of the green, hits a gallery stake, bounces on the green, and extends the playoff. Maltbie eventually wins over Hale Irwin.

-1984 Crosby. Hale Irwin involved again, drive on 18 way left hits the rocks 10 yards out of play, somehow bounces back into the fairway and birdies the hole to get in a playoff, then wins.

In what world is par arbitrary? I honestly don't remember the last hole of that playoff but its the fk'n john deere classic not the us open, it wasnt a monster where par is a good score for these guys. If they played the hole 10 times how often do johnson and hearn both bogey? Once or twice? Speith played well to be in that position of course, but he didnt go out and snatch the win in the playoff which is what everyones saying and youre not grasping.

Apparently to some people (cough *ARC* cough) it isn't

It was a 5 hole playoff, they played 18 twice before (parred 3 ways).

The 18th was, wait for it, the 2nd hardest hole on the course, with a stroke average of 4.12. For the week there were 71 birdies, 88 bogeys, and 16 doubles or worse. So yes, par was a pretty good score on that hole, notwithstanding the fact that there are a lot of cupcake holes on the course.

If only there were a resource called the internet where people could look this stuff up, we could get past "I don't remember but it was probably easy".

Hearn played the hole at -2 for the week and ZJ played it at +1