haha, thanks. ever since i started this thread i knew i could be a good golfer. i was slightly above average in high school, my best score ever in a tournament was a 75. but i was also very lazy and did not practice my short game at all unless it was part of the team practice. after school i would almost always opt to play 9 holes. and i didn't play on the weekends because the course would be too crowded. i've always been a good chipper because i missed the green so often. and i've always been a good lag putter because i couldn't make a 4 footer, i knew i had to get it close. so if i can manage to groove a good swing and actually take the time to practice short game who knows what will happen.

I'll leave these couple of things here without any (ok, much) commentary. I certainly have read ET multiple times, it's one of the things that really helped me take my understanding of the golf swing to a different level. The "knuckle fade" changed the way I drive the golf ball. If you want to point out specifically what I've said that you think is contradictory to the section you mentioned in ET I'm happy to take a look and let you know my thoughts.

This is Slicefixers Youtube channel where he has lots of swings up

I would recommend finding the video's that are shot in slomo from the view the one below is shot in. Gives you a great angle of what's happening. I think you'll notice a common theme.

i'll try to get that angle next time at the range! it won't be crowded so i can probably get away with it!

Don't hit your camera!!!!!

Sorry for going off topic augie, but what do you do for a living?

i'd tell you, but then i'd have to kill you

i don't think there are direct contradictions to what you said, the idea appears to be omitted entirely. i don't think he ever mentions raising or not raising the belt line through impact, but he does harp on releasing left with the arms going left and low. i don't think jumping on it like els or tiger would facilitate that.

i'm going for more of a david toms. his belt line raises too but he doesn't jump up through impact, it's just a consequence of rotating through on his left side. they are in similar positions at impact but the way they get there and the way they follow through are much different! look at the way he holds his wrist angle, beautiful!!

Are you sure you're not just finding someone on tour that happens to do something pretty close to your leak to justify not fixing it?

Fine, we can use David Toms. It's driver vs wedge, which exaggerates the effect of this, but is fine for something that's this far off. I'll also note that it's interesting that you pick Toms, someone who afaik has never broken the top 50 in driving distance. It's not a coincidence that his action here is less dynamic than some of the other guys.



My initial post on these latest swings:

In Toms swing we see the butt has tucked, belt line has risen, and the legs have straightened. We also see the trail foot is banked instead of spun . And we see the reverse C. His neck tilts are still towards the ground instead of the head popping up.

YB, thank you very much. i hope me going against you a little bit did not sour you on responding to my thread. contrary to what reid said, i am not interested in being right, only interested in becoming the best golfer possible.

and I didn't mean my post to be offensive or argumentative in any way. Sometimes we have our own blind spots and it takes someone to point it out. I should have sent that in a private message so it didn't look like I was trying to play forum warrior.

I was hoping you'd just shut me down and say "nope, that's not it", which you did

bumping because i have a job interview today at jimmy johns and i really really really want the job!

for a college dropout with a total of 6 months of work experience in the last 10 years, it's literally the best possible job i could get! one time, dealer!



stuff that i'm working on:

shorter armswing: arms tend to drag behind my body, they need to be in sync with my trunk. right arm needs to fold more.

keeping my butt sticking out: my hips move toward the ball almost immediately and stay there through the whole swing. probably a big factor in my head and torso rising up through impact.

i'm hitting my 56* about 95 yards, i used to hit it 80 yards! things are coming along nicely!

Blah watever

life is good! got the jimmy john's delivery job. if you're in las vegas, gimmie a call and i'll deliver you a sandwich freaky fast!

also, i'm starting to get the hang of golfing the ball.

Can you deliver me one to the airport Thursday morning and then deliver it to my hotel? And reverse that on Sunday morning?

negative. that's a brilliant idea though, someone should open a JJ's next to the airport. they'd make a boat load.

Ha I did an internship at Sienna when I was a junior in college for my PGM degree. Pretty decent place.

Also incredible progress so far, keep up the good work.

sweet! yea sienna is alright. i actually haven't played the course even though i've been a member of the range for 4 months now.

how long ago was that? how do i gain access to the back of the range? i see people hitting balls from back there all the time. but surely i can't just jack a cart and drive back there right?

thanks! i'm really excited about my latest video. it's the first time i've really made a rotational swing. i was finding the center of the club and hitting it solid and there's still tons of room for improvement.

i think my knees are too bent at address, do you agree? i lose flex immediately when i start the swing.

your posture is fine. i like the take away and i like how your shaft comes down on same line as your right forearm in the downswing.

need to see face on to be sure but it looks like all you need now is to set your wrist more on the backswing. this will help with lag and power.

can def notice all the work you put into your swing. it really shows.

Oh man it was a while ago, like 2007, but I remember we had quite a few people with that range pass. It was a pretty awesome deal. No clue about the back range.

Yea I would say you probably have a little too much knee flex. Also, try to maintain the flex in your right leg as you go back, that will help maintain some stability and give you a base to start the downswing from. You look like you have the tendency to straighten it a bit too much.

Disagree. The right leg straightening is a near mandatory piece of a good swing. It allows the hips to turn further, which means the shoulders can turn further, so it's a power thing. The shoulders turning enough also keep players from ending their backswing with the arms lifting, which is something augie has struggled with. Also, if our goal is to maintain a stable inclination to the ground, the right leg needs to straighten to create some tilt in the hips that mimic the hips forward bend at address.

To clarify, the trail leg straightens to varying degrees in every golf swing. If you go watch a bunch of videos you will see a pretty distinct correlation between how much it straightens and distance. But it's not just a distance thing either, as I said above. It helps you maintain your inclination to the ground. I don't think your trail leg straightens too much at all. It happens at a proper pace and never locks. I wouldn't mess with it.

And for reference:

Know you like DT

Couple others




And the extremes




Here is the only guy I could think of that doesn't straighten his trail leg to some degree:


Not a good look.

I think I mistyped. I'm not saying the right leg shouldn't straighten, I agree its a natural thing during the swing. To me in the last video Augie posted(though the shadows maybe playing tricks on me) it just looked like it almost became completely straight/locked and that's not something I think is really easy to deal with.

Looking at the next video up with shorts on it appears to be a fine action.

my right leg doesn't completely straighten, it just loses a bit of flex.









one of my current goals is to keep my butt on the back line through the entire swing. i figure if i can do that, it will be impossible to pull my torso up through impact and i won't lose any spine angle.

as you can see there is still a bit of spine straightening and "slinging" through impact but it's been greatly reduced from what it was.

both my butt and head move toward the ball in the backswing, do you think this is the consequence of the leg straightening or a symptom of a different problem?

seems like a good cure would to be just to start from a more upright position and try to maintain that instead of starting with a lot of flex and losing it immediately?

i was always aware that it is impossible to not have some straightening of the right leg(right handed player) during the backswing, but i always thought you were supposed to reduce the straightening as much as possible.

so are you saying the longer hitters are actually straightening the right leg to more of a degree than some of the shorter hitters? from the videos it appears bubba and dj have quite a considerable straightening of the right leg when compared to pavin. this is very interesting.

also the sound dj makes when he hits driver is amazing!!!!