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Old 06-16-2021, 05:27 AM   #76
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Re: Help me Fix this full swing once and for all

I'll post my full swing here in the next week or so. Still going to GolfTec after massively overhauling my swing last year.

Had a great lesson today that really made me rethink the golf swing in a pretty big way. I've always had a problem with a steep, over the top move. Even with a vastly improved swing from my old stand up straight, butt suck, clip the ball swing, I still have a tendency to get steep and over the top.

I spent a lot of time last year focusing on the backswing and the transition and have finally gotten locked in this year on feeling comfortable with the transition happening early and finishing before the turn happens, and turning as the last piece of the swing. I never really thought about turning my hips and shoulders at different times or paces, but that was a revelation to me when we went into it today.

Basically as a fun experiment, get your club into the top of the backswing or early position in the downswing. Then turn your shoulders and see what the club does. The club basically automatically comes steep and over the top. So now I'm thinking about my downswing in terms of the hips pulling the shoulders through. Once you reach the point where the hips and shoulders can't separate any more, the shoulders will follow through with the club. But the longer this waits to happen, the longer the club will stay shallow in the downswing.
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:20 AM   #77
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I'll post my full swing here in the next week or so. Still going to GolfTec after massively overhauling my swing last year.

Had a great lesson today that really made me rethink the golf swing in a pretty big way. I've always had a problem with a steep, over the top move. Even with a vastly improved swing from my old stand up straight, butt suck, clip the ball swing, I still have a tendency to get steep and over the top.

I spent a lot of time last year focusing on the backswing and the transition and have finally gotten locked in this year on feeling comfortable with the transition happening early and finishing before the turn happens, and turning as the last piece of the swing. I never really thought about turning my hips and shoulders at different times or paces, but that was a revelation to me when we went into it today.

Basically as a fun experiment, get your club into the top of the backswing or early position in the downswing. Then turn your shoulders and see what the club does. The club basically automatically comes steep and over the top. So now I'm thinking about my downswing in terms of the hips pulling the shoulders through. Once you reach the point where the hips and shoulders can't separate any more, the shoulders will follow through with the club. But the longer this waits to happen, the longer the club will stay shallow in the downswing.
When I do practice swings without the ball, I feel like there is a timing issue around the transition with certain things happening too early or too late, perhaps related to what you are describing. For me, it seems like there are some necessary adjustments to get the lower body more active rather than overusing the arms. When I get it down to what feels right, in hindsight I suspect that the previous swings that were out of sync during the process of figuring it out might have created errant shots at the range, but I am unsure. But at the range I'm self-conscious and unwilling to put up with mishits, and I'm wondering if that is a big leak in my practice range sessions that prevents me from rediscovering those crucial feels, particularly the one of a proper release and bottoming out of the club, which I tried to describe in another post.
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Old 06-16-2021, 10:03 PM   #78
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First range session today with a stronger grip. Mostly went okay and I didn’t hit any big hooks. A few nice draws but mostly felt able to still fade the ball. My mis-hits were still poofy short right shots so I am not sure if the grip was all the way there. Will get some video and shots including grip once I work it a bit more.
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Old 06-17-2021, 01:56 AM   #79
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I'll post my full swing here in the next week or so. Still going to GolfTec after massively overhauling my swing last year.

Had a great lesson today that really made me rethink the golf swing in a pretty big way. I've always had a problem with a steep, over the top move. Even with a vastly improved swing from my old stand up straight, butt suck, clip the ball swing, I still have a tendency to get steep and over the top.

I spent a lot of time last year focusing on the backswing and the transition and have finally gotten locked in this year on feeling comfortable with the transition happening early and finishing before the turn happens, and turning as the last piece of the swing. I never really thought about turning my hips and shoulders at different times or paces, but that was a revelation to me when we went into it today.

Basically as a fun experiment, get your club into the top of the backswing or early position in the downswing. Then turn your shoulders and see what the club does. The club basically automatically comes steep and over the top. So now I'm thinking about my downswing in terms of the hips pulling the shoulders through. Once you reach the point where the hips and shoulders can't separate any more, the shoulders will follow through with the club. But the longer this waits to happen, the longer the club will stay shallow in the downswing.
Followed up on a bunch of this today and had an awesome range session where it felt like everything clicked into place. It really feels like my swing has gotten simplified to where it will be infinitely more repeatable.

My internal thought process is basically:

1. Get hands deep on backswing, don't roll the face open and don't roll the shaft behind my body. Gets me in a good wide position.
2. When my left arm gets to parallel on the backswing, start my transition. It isn't a huge move, just a shift of weight while the club is finishing the backswing.
3. Once the transition is complete and the club is coming down, be slow with the hands. Keep the butt stuck out, keep the elbow bent during the downswing.
4. Snap the left hip out left while keeping the left shoulder closed. Let the hips pull the shoulder through the swing.

Getting all of the things in place was what really allowed me to play around with feeling like I'm moving the left hip to the left of my body, but that in combination with the left shoulder staying more tucked allows the club to stay on plane and hold the lag until impact.
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Old 06-18-2021, 01:28 AM   #80
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Re: Help me Fix this full swing once and for all

First round today with what actually feels like the best version of my golf swing yet.

No off the planet misses, especially off the tee. Miss pattern with the driver is spaceball high and fading or a dead pull, which leads me to believe I'm still getting too quick and over the top with the shoulders/hands and I need to rely more on my hips to pull it through.

Ball striking was as good as I've had in quite some time though. Very few shots that missed my distance by 10+ yards. Been shooting mid to high 80s all year, shot Even par on the front and +8 on the back, some short game woes, one bad tee shot and one bad iron shot led to 3 doubles in 4 holes.
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Old 06-18-2021, 07:39 PM   #81
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Old 08-24-2021, 12:41 PM   #82
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Pretty good move, I have two thoughts/suggestions.

1, Look where the clubface is at the top of the swing, completely vertical. Many years ago this would be considered ideal, but no more. There is such a thing called "modern square" where the clubface is more at a 45 degree angle. It's a much more powerful position, especially for those who don't swing 120mph. I can't see the grip, but I'd bet that your left thumb is directly on top of the shaft, in other words a weak grip. It's much more difficult to square the club with a weak grip which leads to a weak fade/slice.

2, overall it appears in this slow mo video at least that you are trying really hard to put the club in certain positions, in other words a very technical swing. There does not appear to be very much athletic movement for such a solid move. Look at the tour players, they swing very freely through the ball with no worry about where it is going. I don't see that in your swing. To me, you seem to be sacrificing athletic ability for technical excellence.

If I'm correct about your grip, move your left hand to the right 45 degrees so that your thumb is now down the shaft at approximately 1:30 on a clock face. This will make the club feel lighter and easier to swing so that the clubface can square up easier.

Finally, let your athletic ability come out in your swing. The club should be moving the fastest at impact, not before or after. At present, the club doesn't seem to be moving very fast at any point in the downswing. Be aggressive through the ball without fear of where it might be going. Practice hitting the ball as hard as you can to let your athletic ability come out. Don't worry so much about proper positions throughout the swing, your positions are already plenty good.

Good luck, let me know if you have any questions regarding the above.
Have worked on the above for the past two months + now. A lot of progress; definitely working hard on just swinging it and being less concerned with positions. To keep working on positions I do a lot of practice swings and use my tour striker etc. but am trying to not have much "swing thought" stuff when I actually hit balls and play.

Have driven it a little better; slightly longer on the good ones and the dispersion seems tighter. Missing it both ways and my good shots aren't consistently one shape or trajectory. But probably as confident as I've been been on the tee though which is nice with 3 tournament rounds coming up labor day weekend and the week after.


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Driver DTL: https://i.imgur.com/XNVbUWU.mp4

Driver face-on: https://i.imgur.com/Ids7hml.mp4

3i/Driving Iron face-on: https://i.imgur.com/RE7ce7U.mp4

3i/Driving Iron DTL: https://i.imgur.com/RPX4r69.mp4

7i DTL: https://i.imgur.com/Ie72m7y.mp4
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Old 08-24-2021, 06:03 PM   #83
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I'll let the better players comment on your swing. 1 thing that jumps out at me is your ball position on your driver, Not sure if it's the way the camera's is set up but it looks like the ball is a lot further forward then one would recommend, We are all different but I would have the driver about where your 3 Iron ball position is.

Should put these on Youtube, I'm not sure why but I couldn't go full screen for some odd reason but youtube helps us adjust the playback speed with ease.

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Have worked on the above for the past two months + now. A lot of progress; definitely working hard on just swinging it and being less concerned with positions. To keep working on positions I do a lot of practice swings and use my tour striker etc. but am trying to not have much "swing thought" stuff when I actually hit balls and play.

Have driven it a little better; slightly longer on the good ones and the dispersion seems tighter. Missing it both ways and my good shots aren't consistently one shape or trajectory. But probably as confident as I've been been on the tee though which is nice with 3 tournament rounds coming up labor day weekend and the week after.


Grip:
Spoiler:


Driver DTL: https://i.imgur.com/XNVbUWU.mp4

Driver face-on: https://i.imgur.com/Ids7hml.mp4

3i/Driving Iron face-on: https://i.imgur.com/RE7ce7U.mp4

3i/Driving Iron DTL: https://i.imgur.com/RPX4r69.mp4

7i DTL: https://i.imgur.com/Ie72m7y.mp4
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:29 AM   #84
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A lot of progress; definitely working hard on just swinging it and being less concerned with positions.
Here's a little inspiration for just swinging it:



(est. 117 mph)
"Two of golf’s most eminent instructors, Macdonald Smith and Ernest Jones, built all their teaching around the one conception, “Swing the club head.” There are other details to be thought of, of course, in developing anything like a sound swing, but in the end it will be found that this is the prime necessity. Those who are able to sense what it means to “swing the club head” will find that they can thus cover up a multitude of sins, and those who sense it not will find that no amount of striving for perfection in positioning will quite take its place. —Bobby Jones on Golf
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Old 09-15-2021, 05:48 AM   #85
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Here's a little inspiration for just swinging it:



(est. 117 mph)
"Two of golf’s most eminent instructors, Macdonald Smith and Ernest Jones, built all their teaching around the one conception, “Swing the club head.” There are other details to be thought of, of course, in developing anything like a sound swing, but in the end it will be found that this is the prime necessity. Those who are able to sense what it means to “swing the club head” will find that they can thus cover up a multitude of sins, and those who sense it not will find that no amount of striving for perfection in positioning will quite take its place. —Bobby Jones on Golf
It's easy for Bobby Jones to say just swing the clubhead when he has a good swing and is a good player and doesn't have to work at getting the club in good positions because he already has that part down which is why he is so good. The average hacker does not and it doesn't matter how you swing the clubhead, if the clubhead is not on plane, you are going to struggle.

Understanding the different positions of the golf swing is the most important part of golf and anyone who wants to make improvements to their game must learn to get the club on plane and in the right positions.
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:17 PM   #86
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Watch this video, single best golf drill on the internet imho

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