Not true - people would have a bit of fun and maybe improve their putting as a side-effect. So their results may have some value. Unlike the value of you lot trying to out-dick-swing each other with all of this crap itt.

You realise that even if everyone who's argued the crap in this thread about straight vs. breaking putts tried a new challenge based on that, then those results would be completely worthless too right?

Plz take it to a new thread.

We are not ****ing machines.

Ok, but you know if you don't like it you don't have to read it?
They may improve their putting as a side-effect. So their results may have some value.

DUCWIDT?

As a side note, I don't understand why everyone's gotta be a dick. I try not to be, but I am 100% trying to be to Ship(and of course BO) considering how he's(BO) acted in this thread(acts in every thread).

Yes, but you lot are cluttering up the original OP - I'm not reading the long posts any more, just finding it a pain in the arse to have to skim through all these off-topic posts to find the on-topic ones.

Your DUCWIDT comment made me have less respect for you btw.

Just rent a room and you guys start another thread there ffs.

I'm sure a mod could split the thread if it is that big of a deal to everyone.

I see there is hilariously a topic in the golf forum started by Ship titled "It's not a math discussion", lets just move it there for laughs so nobody will expect what they are walking into.

I requested this a short while ago.

That IMG caused me to think about a breaking putt a little differently when struck in the real world by real golfers. And also might help explain why a right handed golfer is more comfortable with a right to left putt.

Let's take a right to left putt and imagine one (according to the paper there are two) of the cones of made putts, the middle of the cone is the ideal speed, the left edge of the cone has to be struck harder, the right edge of the cone has to be struck easier. So obviously a golfer is trying to hit the ideal line with the ideal speed.

But what happens in the real world when a golfer pulls a putt? He hits it harder due to a delofting of the blade just like a full shot. This effect gives a pulled putt a decent chance of having correct speed to go in even though he missed his intended line and speed.

So what about a pushed putt? When a putt is shoved it is hit easier due to increasing the loft of the blade once again giving a putt missing both line and speed a decent chance of going in.

So in the real world on a right to left putt a lot of mis-hit putts are going to "self-correct" and have a chance of finding the hole. This cannot be said for straight putts, there is no self-correcting mechanism.

BO

*sigh*

The paper 100% did not prove that there were 2 cones. Having 2 separate shot cones is impossible on breaking putts across a single plane, which is the only thing the paper addressed.

On a breaking putt you cannot hit the ball at X and left of X for makes, and at Y and right of Y for more makes, but be unable to make a putt if you hit it between X and Y.

Just cannot happen.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not quite sure putts are effected by delofting the same as full shots. Reason being that if you deloft a putter you are not necessarily going to launch the ball with more speed. You are likely going to drive the ball into the ground too much and cause it to bounce or skid, which will in fact lower the speed not raise it.

NXT, put this guy on Ignore. Trust me. Life gets better.

Stopped reading.

My condolences for your loss in this festive time OP.

Good luck in the New Year!

Well, regardless of reason let's talk experience. You know damn good and well when you yank a putt you usually hit it harder than you intended. You also know that when you shove/cut across a putt you usually hit it easier than intended.

But tell you what, regardless of what you think happens with actual golfers, answer me this. If for whatever reason there is a golfer that hits pulls too hard and hits pushes too soft, does he then have a much better chance making a right to left putt than a straight putt?


Just as well, since it's not a video game you wouldn't understand it.

BO

How much do you want to bet that this bogey golfer can out-putt you?

I'll want odds of course.

Say what? Why does this matter?

But if you can out-putt me why would you need odds?

BO

Because you discount bogey players in the putting game.

So surely we need odds to compete.

MD

Not at all, I simply said that OP was -EV in the prop.

BO

My five year old could out putt the **** out of Tiger. Given the proper odds of course.....

So long as the putt is a 100 footer, I guess so!

That and another million words about breaking putts!

Not picking you out, just the total derail.

I don't know if it's a derail as much as it is a tangent. A tangent that has gotten out of control and now has a life of it's own. We have simply been discussing the type of putt that gives OP the best odds of success. And IMO, that paper (as well as personal experience) shows that would be a downhill breaker on a fast green so long as the speed and break aren't so great that the hole can't "capture" the ball.

BO

Assuming a perfect green, no spike marks, no small debris that you didn't notice on the line.

The OP is just doing a nice prop bet, wanted to see if he was +EV, not to get his brain scrambled.

Oh, and btw, saying something like this is pretty much like people who always want to have the last word do. Even if they are maybe wrong, they have to mitigate.

Again, not just you itt.

And yes, I have now become pro-active in this thread - because I initially asked for it to be re-opened and am kinda sorry that I did unless it gets back on track or is split.

Split would be better, but that will need some work from the mods.

If it isn't split, please take the math to another thread if you don't mind.

Thanks.

had to stop after arod starting posting. most frustrating drivel ive ever seen about golf

Missed this gem.

As the OP, I have actually enjoyed the derail. In terms of the actual bet, it doesn't matter much as finding a perfectly flat 100' putt on a local practice green will impossible.

The only reason I even stipulated the flatness aspect of it when making the bet (about 10 beers deep, btw) was because I have a big practice green in my community, but it has a huge hump in the middle and I didn't want the bet to take place on that green.

The actual bet is that I can find any 100' putt I want. If I had time and the bet was for money I cared about, I would look for some sort of "funnel" type putt.

Anyhow, bet is looking like it will go down this weekend. I have two more suckers taking the other side.