such a shame ARC got banned

Nxt was also trying to use his form of "math" to prove ship was wrong.

ARC simply had no clue about anything.

Not sure whats going on here. Ive been thinking of starting a putting thread for a long time. Now this thread pops up and I have the urge to discuss putting.

Guy complimented my very still head when putting. Ty Gary player. I try not to watch 5 footers or shorter go in. On occasion someone will mention it. Seems to help.

Reverse overlap grip is what ive always used.

Maybe I can get a bit loosey goosey with my arms sometimes.

Recently pulled my back foot a couple inches away from the target line. Started sinking putts immediately.

No guideline. I go with the blank side of the ball up.

Oh and a bo Jackson rookie year commemorative brass coin for a marker. I keep a few other coins in my pocket in case bo Jackson seems too close for comfort considering others putts.

I suck at reading the break. One eyed Willy style, except I still have my bad right eye. Recent discussion about dominant eye stuff interests me. Oh and I'm partially colorblind. So seeing the grain is tough unless its obviously sloped.

I prefer right to left breaking putts to the opposite, but basically I'm happy to be on the green.

Has there ever been a worse poster on this site? He was literally an expert on everything and anything.

There was a guy in poker strat threads that went by several SN. Prob his most well known one was ILoveCaliDonks and he may have been worse than ARC.

Although my interest in the subject of this thread has waned a little, I can still imagine myself reading through it for entertainment value. The foibles of most posters involved, coupled with intelligent debate and heated argumentation really seems to have brewed up something quite engrossing.

I feel like the exaggerated incredulity and aggressiveness of both NXT and ARC likely fueled the post count in this thread. Ship seemed to be more level-head and thus his comments were generally an easier read. I get all this from reading just a few pages, maybe my opinions will shift if I read a bit more, but I still have to get through the $100/ 100 foot prop bet thread that was the foundation for this one. I didn't even see him in the first couple pages of that, so I anticipate that he'll pop up at some point and maybe claim that he tried out the 100 foot/ 100 tries putt an introduce the whole theory of breakers and also maybe drop the shocking little nugget that he thinks scratch golfers suck.

Look at the putt - let your brain compute the best line - hit it.

Several guys at my club who do aimpoint and other stuff get annoyed that they can't putt better than me.

They are both annoyed and wish they didn't have to spend so much time working out how to make the putt attempt better themselves.

I use a Ram Zebra putter I bought in 1998 I think.

They have spent countless thousands of pounds on the next new best putter and coaching.

I would happily bet most of them that I could putt better with their current putter than they can.

this is a great summary

not nearly as enjoyable as this entire thread was though

Presumably this is the relevant post from the prop bet thread that gets the debate going about breakers for those unfamiliar with it.

The initial consideration of how golfers of different skill would fair with 100 tries at 100 feet is interesting as well. It really rings true for me that repetition of the exact same shot bumps up one's odds quite significantly. I actually play a game where I putt 3 balls between the same two holes and consider it a win if I two putt or better all 3 four times in a row. It gets easier with repetition. But this idea even applies on the range. If I consistently hit good iron shots in a session, I'm still likely to walk up to the tee on the course and suddenly lose much of the feel and consistency. That's how it is for a bogey golfer IMO.

(Quote directs to second page of that thread, I haven't figured out how to do that right)

It's quite interesting to me that what should be the simplest of movements has a gazillion different putter styles and methods.

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Are you saying that because a putt that is straight uphill breaks away from the hole and a straight downhill putt breaks towards the hole? If this is what you are saying you would be correct but it doesn't make one easier than the other. It just means one is hit with different levels of force.

The title of the thread is "straight vs breaking putts" but you are turning a straight putt into a breaking one by using the uphill and downhill as breaking? I read this and thought it was referring to a straight putt vs one that breaks and so I thought in terms of right and left and not up and down. You gave two different breaking putt examples and say that one is easier. That doesn't make sense in reference to the question. Maybe it is made clearer in the thread, but I have not and most likely will not read the rest of the thread as 58 pages of this is too much for me and I'm not going to be visiting 2+2 much longer for seperate reasons. I will try and make time if you are saying it's worth a read.

You are saying that downhill putts are easier because they break towards the hole? So that would you make your answer breaking putts easier than straight ones? That doesn't make sense with your other example of using an uphill putt breaking away from the hole. Either breaking putts or straight putts was how I understood the question. So I'm confused by your response. It also isn't correct. A straight downhill putt started to the right of the hole doesn't break left and vice versa so I don't get what you are saying here.

Why do you give two examples that lead to different conclusions but doesn't answer the question unless it is a trick question? Your answer makes me think it's a trick question based on the uphill vs downhill example and both of them being straight but then the downhill putt breaks right and left? My brain has exploded. Why not give an example of a putt that breaks to the right and a putt that is straight? So if we are saying uphill and downhill and putting that in the category of breaks then how can one be easier than the other? So a straight putt has to be flat in this question? I don't know if I'm understanding that right or not but my answer would still be the same. If we are going purely technical and not the other aspect as far as mental, I think if a robot is given 100 putts that break and 100 putts that are straight (or flat if I'm understanding it correctly?) then I would say the robot would make fewer strokes to the hole that is straight and flat. Downhill putts break towards the hole but they also cause more 3 putts than any other putt by far. So not sure if I understand the question but now I don't think I even remember my name at this point.

Respect for the reference of taking pride in what you use to mark your ball. I'm a 2+2 rookie so maybe ntnbo can chime in but this sounds like it needs its own thread lol. I used the same coin pretty much my whole life and can't imagine using anything else.

When it comes to reading break, just go by the slope but local information can be very important. In Vegas everything breaks down towards the strip, I always use look for the Stratosphere on every putt. Then courses like Pauite, the putts break away from the highest mountain peak. There was a course back home where I am from that was private and so I had never played it before but was playing in a tournament there which was the U.S. Amateur Qualifier. I played a practice round, and didn't make any putts which is unusual for me and on the 9th hole in the tournament, I saw my putt break up the slope. I stepped back and looked at it like WTF and the guy I was paired up with told me that the creek held it up. I said huh? His dad was a brain surgeon and so he was a member of this course and played it all the time. He said all putts break towards the river. There was a river or creek that ran through the course and all the putts broke towards it. After that, I putted much much better so things like that can have a huge impact. Ask the pro shop before your round if you are playing some place new.

Given this is a putting thread, I've never looked this up but what's a good putt's per round average? I'm averaging around 33.8 (Short sample from the 18 rounds I have recorded on my app).

Putts per round isn’t a meaningful stat

ah that actually does make sense not sure why I thought it was.

putts per GIR and up & down % have to be much more meaningful than putts per round

i watched this live, may have been one of the best things i've ever seen

love that

haha jesus hell of a putt

I did the 100 putts @100 feet today and sank #70. However, I was not clearing the balls adequately and I think the putt may have nudged another ball on its way in, but I'm not sure. Some decent putts were blocked by other balls as well. One ball ended up 2 inches beyond the hole and a few were within a couple feet I believe. The practice green at my course is about 50 yards long, so there was ample space.