I only played Wigwam once while I lived in Phoenix, but it was late spring (so no excuse for recent overseeding) and the greens were the slowest I've ever played and someone told me they keep them way. So bizarre, it seemed like a really nice place, but goddamn, most fairways are faster than those greens.

the best/most fun skins game around is at mountain shadows on tuesdays. show up anytime between 12 and 1 and they will get u a group if u dont have one. 72 bucks if u play gross or 50 for just skins. its a par 3 course with 2 par 4s but its legit. small fast greens and very demanding, being able to work it around is a must. theres a few more around but thats the only one i play.

Did you play Gold though? I think their maintenance budget for Gold is higher than for the other two, which are shorter and not the "signature" course.

Mountain Shadows GOAT executive course. There's nothing else like it. Talked to a cart girl over at McCormick recently who also works at MS and she said the group is small-ish lately, in the 25-30 range. One of these days I'll show up and donate, knowing that's all it will be.

EEZEE, thanks for the heads-up. Just found out this morning we're playing at Stonecreek next weekend. Hopefully by then the greens will be faster and carts will be allowed off the paths. That course is totally condition-dependent, it's not a great layout (imo) and not long, but when in good shape it's worth the money. We're evidently getting a $59 rate which on a Saturday morning in the fall is pretty good.

Also, I recommended to a poster here The Raven, he was out here last year for a few months and he signed up. They have a member program (as I'm sure I've also mentioned several times itt) along with good practice facilities. Can't remember where you're living - Scottsdale, I think - but it's fairly close to everything. Should be worth a call.

dont remember, guess it wasn't gold though lol

Went out to Mountain Shadows today, I really enjoyed it. Super fun place to play and you can really work on your short game out there, which is what I need to do.
I shot 60 - 14 pars and 4 bogeys, obviously not gonna get it done, but I had a tonne of burned edges/lipouts. The greens were pretty tricky, small as you said and you have to be sharp, which I'm not yet.
But it was really fun I liked it, definately going to be going to their skins game (maybe this tuesday, maybe next..). Gonna clearly have to make some birdies then but it should be fun.
Anyone else gonna be playing there soon? Maybe we could organize a day where we play, then play a little card game after or something. Or go to casino AZ -- do they comp drinking at the tables there?? I'm pretty much on my own out here, looking to set up games!

I'm definitely down for a Mtn. Shadows - cards or CAZ trip (especially since it's not far from there at all). Tuesdays are a bit tricky to get out but given enough notice I can make it happen. Maybe we can get a foursome together, but I'm not sure if they let you select who to play with or not. If four randoms show up, play together, and win big that would be sketchville. I know from all the other razz/skins games around town they generally don't care but then again I usually play with regulars.

im going to be playing on tuesday. playing starfire the next 2 days in a pepsi event which should be fun. def up for getting a group together i know all the guys that work inside and out so itll be fine if we roll up and play together. def true about 4 randoms getting in and winning all the money would be sketch but that wont be the case.

Starfire for a Pepsi event. I can only imagine the rape you guys put on that course.

been playing at pinnacle peak cc a lot these days as my friends works outside there. been in great shape for the last 2 weeks or so since they don't overseed the greens. They are old school and still have the bent grass which is probably better in the summer!

anyone know any other courses that are getting close to decent shape again. I can't stand putting on greens that are shaggy and slow as hell....would rather grind the 3dollar rebuy on pokerstars and drink beer lol

Haha, yah most of the courses I have played so far have been pretty slow greens. Mountain shadows have been maybe the best, and still not great. I also grind the 3dollar rebuy though too. I don't think I'm going to play at the shadows skins tomorrow, I played Raven at Verrado today and played terribly, I would just be a donation. Gonna work on it this week and play hopefully next week.

I played Firerock, Sanctuary, and Moon Valley CC over the past 2 weeks. Firerock and Sanctuary were both about the slowest greens I've ever putted. Moon Valley was pretty nice though. I'm assuming all the greens are slow now because of overseeding, at least I hope so. I love the weather here. Don't know how I'll move back to Nebraska. If anyone is bored and wants to play sometime or needs a 4th shoot me a pm.

played the pepsi event at starfire sunday monday and have never putted on slower greens. shot 68 71 for 8th 7 paid ugh. the scores werent that stupid low jus cus it was almost impossible to get putts to the hole. bobby kalinowski shot 61 the first day but other than that 66 was low.

mountain shadows was playing super tough today! the wind was up and the pins were the hardest they have been since ive been back in town. shot even par 56 which was tied for 3rd when i left so hopefully thatll hold and make a little money from the gross pot. missed a 8 footer on 17 which is the hardest hole on the course (240 with trees kinda blocking ur tee shot) when i left no one had birdied it, so id be bummed if i missed out on that skin.

if anyone wants to play the foothills a couple times this week thatd be cool. have a tourney there sunday so want to try and figure out the greens better than i did at starfire. its not a great course but its fun and usually in pretty decent condition. shoot me a pm if ur interested

Played Antelope hills North a couple of weeks ago - greens were really good and definitely faster than down here have to contend with the weather cost is 45 good track

Antelope Hills GOAT municipal course.

As you guys obviously already know, the woefully slow greens are a temporary condition and will subside soon enough. Still, it's extra aggravating to putt when they are slow as hell and I try to avoid a course for the first month after reopening from overseed. We'll see how Stonecreek is on Saturday.

By the way, a friend of mine who works for Troon Golf contacted me to say that he could get me and five others 50% off the early bird rates for Troon Golf passes. I'm waiting to hear back from him as to exact rates but if I'm reading right it looks like no more than $350 for the foursome pass and $200 for a twosome pass, effective now through all of next year. For the first time I am thinking of buying one because the rates are pretty good with it:

http://www.troongolf.com/troon-golf-...s-arizona.html

Additionally, it comes with some one-time only type perks like 2-for-1 at various courses.

Anyway, I've circulated this to my regular golf group and have some interest. If anyone here is interested let me know. There's nothing in it for me, just passing this info along. Not sure if it will get zero bites or ten, but I assume it's first come first served.

Saw way upthread that Tuq thought the ASU Karsten course was kind of goofy and all, but is it in good shape? Know it has to be a decent course and seems like a decent rate. Just doesn't seem to have gotten any love in this thread.

What about Grayhawk? Know they are both great tracks and $100-150 doesn't seem awful compared to the rates at TPC and Troon.

BO

Someone posted on here that there is Razz game on Wednesdays at Papago.
Well I went out to Papago today about 10:30 preparing to play in the game, but there was no such game...? Guy in the shop didn't know anything about it, I felt like an idiot.
So I just practiced for 5 hours which was probably more beneficial

1. Karsten is a Dye course that just aggravates me because its defense is undulation. Lots and lots of it. Very large hills line the sides of each hole, and swales abound in the fairway. I'm just of the mind that it's kind of dumb to hit it right down the middle and have an uphill/downhill/sidehill lie a large proportion of the time. Plus it's not very scenic (abuts a very large power generating station and airplanes constantly fly overhead). That said, I have and will play it for the right price. However that price is often less than they're charging.

2. Grayhawk is a wonderful facility from a service perspective. I've warmed to their courses over the years but still think it's largely the product of marketing hype. The course probably has the largest disparity in rates in and out of season of any course in AZ - play for as little as $30 or so in the summer but good luck getting on for under $200 in high season. Fair courses though, and fun. Like Karsten though their price point is more than I'm willing to pay most of the year / would get better value elsewhere.

[QUOTE=tuq;22799744]Antelope Hills GOAT municipal course.

Sorry dude, I forgot this is your thread. jfc

another golf snob from scottsdale

The North course is not a goat track and the greens are in great shape and as fast as you could want.

Just because its a muni and you dont have any connections there doesn't mean its a **** track

Yours is not the only opinion that matters

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I'm pretty sure in this case "GOAT" doesn't mean what you think it means.

I love Antelope Hills. Even won a couple of state junior titles there a long time ago, and try to get up there at least once per year.

Settle down.

GOAT

"Greatest Of All Time". You both hold the same view of the course.

Playing 27 at Ocotillo and either Troon North or Grayhawk in a few weeks.. What would you guys recommend this time of year? Troon North or Grayhawk? Price isn't issue as we're playing with a pro and he gets us on uber cheap.

It's basically a flip, try to play both at some point. As for which 18 to play at each place

Raptor > Talon

Pinnacle >>> Monument

Sneaking out of the office early to play OrangeTree at around 1:30 today, will give you guys a course condition report.

I used to work there for 5-6 years while I was in high school and ASU, so I know what to expect. My buddy tells me everything is all cut down and the greens are slow but fairly smooth. The one nice thing is that they are already allowing carts off path. Bad for the course, GOOD FOR ME LOL.

We used to own at Trilogy in Peoria and before we sold they were working on a course just past it. I was curious as to if anyone belongs there, as I believe it was going to be strictly private, and if they enjoy the layout.

As for Trilogy, it was a good tract for what it was, but certainly not comparable to Grayhawk and the like towards the East part of town.

Thanks to Tuq for the hookup on the Troon Pass. Got a call yesterday and everything went great.

Yeah I signed up yesterday and am all set too. Then my guy told me that he can sign up more (not a shocker considering the competition for golf dollars) so if anyone is interested in a Troon Pass which is effective immediately and goes through next year please let me know. I am not affiliated with Troon Golf nor do I get any referral fee for it. Here are the course rates:

http://www.troongolf.com/troon-golf-...s-arizona.html

And here is a moderate bonus perk which is new this year:

http://www.troongolf.com/Troon-Card-Passbook.html

It's $200 for a twosome and $350 for a foursome with this connection, evidently thru early December.

Regarding the post above, I think you're referring to Vistancia, the name of the course at the Trilogy site. Don't think it's private or plans to go that way (if anyone is these days), there is a course just out past it though that is only a couple of years old which I believe is still private. Can't remember the name though.

A friend of mine used to play it all the time. He said it was solid but unspectacular, kind of like the Estrella course on the far SW side of town. Not necessarily worth the drive across town unless the price was right.