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Old 05-05-2021, 07:00 PM   #26
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Prob means more to you guys than me
Got it. Curious to know why they didn’t put the KBS in your Mack Daddy as well.

Did you try any custom shafts in the hybrids?
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Old 05-05-2021, 10:40 PM   #27
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Got it. Curious to know why they didnít put the KBS in your Mack Daddy as well.

Did you try any custom shafts in the hybrids?
Whats KBS? And I have no idea what I tried lol
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Old 05-05-2021, 11:03 PM   #28
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Thanks! Can't wait. Also really excited to add a 6h to my bag! Just need to learn to hit off the tee now lol
I'm guessing that you have trouble when you put it on a tee but you hit it well when hitting out of the rough or in the fairway? This is from coming over the top and hitting down on it instead of sweeping it.

Golf is difficult because you have to fight the urge to do what your instincts want to do. This is because golf has right handed and left handed equipment backwards. RH clubs should be for left handed people and vice versa. Take your normal set up, (you can do this in your living room without a ball) since your right side is your dominant side and it's also stronger than your left side. So when your dominant side takes over, you "pull" the club back which "pulls" the club on the inside. Try setting up but as if you were going to swing left handed (dont worry about the face because its just to get the feeling and you could even use a stick) and just make a backswing. The first thing you will notice is how now your right side is "pushing" the club back and putting the club on the proper plane. You don't have to sell your clubs and play left handed but just do this to get the feeling of a proper backswing and then just take your normal set up and try to recreate that "push" with your left side being dominant. You will notice how much lighter the club feels and how much easier it is and how at the top of the swing your arms and hands are more in front of you instead of behind you which is key. Then just set up with your normal right handed set up but recreate that feeling using your left side and "push" the club back.

If anything doesn't make sense or you have any questions, just let me know. GL GL.
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Old 05-06-2021, 08:58 AM   #29
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I'm guessing that you have trouble when you put it on a tee but you hit it well when hitting out of the rough or in the fairway? This is from coming over the top and hitting down on it instead of sweeping it.

Golf is difficult because you have to fight the urge to do what your instincts want to do. This is because golf has right handed and left handed equipment backwards. RH clubs should be for left handed people and vice versa. Take your normal set up, (you can do this in your living room without a ball) since your right side is your dominant side and it's also stronger than your left side. So when your dominant side takes over, you "pull" the club back which "pulls" the club on the inside. Try setting up but as if you were going to swing left handed (dont worry about the face because its just to get the feeling and you could even use a stick) and just make a backswing. The first thing you will notice is how now your right side is "pushing" the club back and putting the club on the proper plane. You don't have to sell your clubs and play left handed but just do this to get the feeling of a proper backswing and then just take your normal set up and try to recreate that "push" with your left side being dominant. You will notice how much lighter the club feels and how much easier it is and how at the top of the swing your arms and hands are more in front of you instead of behind you which is key. Then just set up with your normal right handed set up but recreate that feeling using your left side and "push" the club back.

If anything doesn't make sense or you have any questions, just let me know. GL GL.
I meant hit my driver off the tee (a club I didn't get fitted for and am awful at). I hit my hybrid fine off the tee. I'm still going to do the drill you showed me though
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Old 05-06-2021, 09:45 AM   #30
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I meant hit my driver off the tee (a club I didn't get fitted for and am awful at). I hit my hybrid fine off the tee. I'm still going to do the drill you showed me though
I donít know if that would be advisable.

First off, heís dead wrong about sweeping the ball off a tee. No matter if a ball is teed up or not you still hit slightly down on it with every club but a driver.

Second, without ever seeing your swing he think he knows what is wrong. Which of course is impossible. If you donít know whatís wrong you canít begin to fix the problem.

Third, donít blindly follow advice from randoms on the internet. Think carefully before you do.

Lastly, look at his posting history. Of course one can believe in rigged games yet still have knowledge of golf. But itís something to consider.
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Old 05-06-2021, 11:03 AM   #31
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Whats KBS? And I have no idea what I tried lol
KBS is the brand of shafts the fitter selected for your irons. They're one of the major shaft manufacturers. The selected model is the C Taper Lite.

No shaft is identified for your sand wedge, so presumably it's a stock shaft (probably the KBS Hi Rev 2.0 model)

It's also a little curious that you aren't getting the Mavrik SW that matches the rest of your irons, but ... /shrug.
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Old 05-06-2021, 11:15 AM   #32
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Just need to learn to hit off the tee now lol
Just out of curiosity, can you post what driver you are using? Brand, model and if you can spot it on the shaft, what type of shaft (there might be a manufacturer like Aldila, Project X, Fujikura, etc, plus a model name. There is also likely a weight (like 50g, 60g or 70g) and flex (A, R, S or X).

Not suggesting you can or should be "fit" by randos on the internet, I'm just curious whether what you are using is way off given that you now have some specific iron specs.
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I donít know if that would be advisable.

First off, heís dead wrong about sweeping the ball off a tee. No matter if a ball is teed up or not you still hit slightly down on it with every club but a driver.

Second, without ever seeing your swing he think he knows what is wrong. Which of course is impossible. If you donít know whatís wrong you canít begin to fix the problem.

Third, donít blindly follow advice from randoms on the internet. Think carefully before you do.

Lastly, look at his posting history. Of course one can believe in rigged games yet still have knowledge of golf. But itís something to consider.
I would say great advice when it comes to taking advice from randoms on the internet. So I agree there. The rest of it you are dead wrong.

First, I don't need to see his swing to know what's wrong with it. I've given lessons for 15 years. I am a certified PGA Professional with the PGA of America and I spent three years working at the Butch Harmon School of Golf and I am also a Jim McLean Certified Instructor. Those are 2 of the top 3 instructors in the world and it's difficult to find two better people to learn from. I don't need to see his swing because 99% of all golfers do the same thing. When you listen to someone describe the shots they hit and what their misses are. You don't need to see it because the ball has to do what it's told to do. Therefore, I know what he's doing by his description of his misses and what he struggles with. It's science. I have zero doubt what he is doing with his swing. Since he slices, he is putting left to right spin on the ball. This comes from coming over the top and when he talks about having trouble with his driver and likes hybrids that also tells me he's coming in too steep. I've seen it a thousand times.

I was trying to help him by getting to the root of the problem. Once he learns to hit his irons, then I don't think he'll have much use for the hybrids. A lot of pros care more about making $ instead of helping the player improve. I don't think anyone who can hit a 5 iron would want to hit a hybrid because the hybrid is going to be harder to control and you won't be as consistent/accurate.

Since you brought up my other posts about Winning Poker Network being rigged and how that's a ridiculous thing and makes me not have any credibility then simply show me proof that you play on that crooked site. You tell me how many of your bluffs work, how many of your value bets get called, how many times your Aces get jammed on. It doesn't happen on that site because I believe they are super users. If you refer to my comment above, you will see that I am someone who doesn't say things without a reason and am someone who uses science, math, logic, and common sense when forming opinions. I have studied poker for the last 5 months and the more I learn, the more I believe that WPN is rigged and I was trying to warn others to stay off the site as well so they don't lose money like I did because I believed the people who said it isn't, I ignored my gut instinct, and kept trying to study and improve and was not going to let anything stop me from becoming a winning player. Then when I realized they can see my cards, I knew that I was trying to accomplish the impossible. I wouldn't make an accusation without a valid reason for believing what I do. Playing over 200K hands and then going back through my HH and looking at the hands with the thought that they can see my hand, then it all makes sense.
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I like the information overload. I'm in the 1% that push slices from time to time unintentionally when trying to hit it pretty straight with 4 iron through 3 wood. I'm pretty sure its a lazy right hand grip thing. Occasionally I come over the top but the result is always a straight pull about 10 to 20 yards left of starting line target with no slice(very rarely I'll pull hook when trying to hit it straight).

Driver is a different beast.
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Also I think discussion about different experimentation on the range is fine. Of course any swing change should be done by the individual at the range as a process of trial and error. Isnt that how we learn the swing without a coach? By focusing on the fundamentals and experimental tweaking on the range we actually learn about our swing instead of practicing our mistakes.

Of course, nobody can tell you exactly how a good (insert your worst club here) feels. Its something very personal. It cannot be conveyed in an internet post. I dont believe this means we cant discuss how it feels and how the different fundamentals contribute.
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I like the information overload. I'm in the 1% that push slices from time to time unintentionally when trying to hit it pretty straight with 4 iron through 3 wood. I'm pretty sure its a lazy right hand grip thing. Occasionally I come over the top but the result is always a straight pull about 10 to 20 yards left of starting line target with no slice(very rarely I'll pull hook when trying to hit it straight).

Driver is a different beast.
The push slice is caused by an open face at impact while swing from in to out or too far from the inside. I'm not sure what you mean by a lazy right hand grip but you want the V made by your right thumb and forefinger to point between your right shoulder and your right ear. It needs to be in the fingers, and not in the palm.

If you hit a straight pull then your face was square at impact but came over the top so if you can make that same swing just coming down the right path then you will hit it straight. Which is the hard part right, so without seeing your swing or giving you a lesson, the best way to do that is to pay attention to your divots and they will tell you where you swing path was. If your divot is pointing left of the target then you came over the top and if you divot is pointing to the right then you came too far inside. Another key point when doing this is make sure you set up correctly because if you are aimed too far to the left and swing right down the line, then you might think you are coming over the top when it's your set up that is the problem.

The set-up isn't talked about as much as it should be but you have to be constantly checking your set up and making sure your alignment is correct. You want to aim parallel left of the target. So if you are aiming at the middle of the green from the middle of the fairway then you want your feet aimed at the left side of the green. Imagine railroad tracks running from the ball to your target. If you don't continue to check it and work on it, then it will quickly change. Always put a club down when hitting range balls to make sure you are aiming correctly. A lot of players struggle with their swing because their setup is wrong. Set up is key and it is impossible to have a good swing with a bad set up.
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Also I think discussion about different experimentation on the range is fine. Of course any swing change should be done by the individual at the range as a process of trial and error. Isnt that how we learn the swing without a coach? By focusing on the fundamentals and experimental tweaking on the range we actually learn about our swing instead of practicing our mistakes.

Of course, nobody can tell you exactly how a good (insert your worst club here) feels. Its something very personal. It cannot be conveyed in an internet post. I dont believe this means we cant discuss how it feels and how the different fundamentals contribute.
This is why I highly encourage anyone who wants to get better to get a lesson from a PGA pro. If you don't have the budget for it, that's understandable but with golf it is impossible to do it on your own. I got a few lessons but my pro never would show up for them when I would ask for one. I worked there even but he was something else. Anyway, so I spent countless hours on the range trying new things and it's like playing the lottery. If I tried something that I read in Golf Digest or heard on TV and it worked it was random luck and it's like trying to find an address without a map. Having the right instructor is like having Google Maps tell you to turn right and left instead of driving around aimlessly for hours on end. I recommend asking around if anyone knows of a pro in your area or go to the pro at your course and ask him about a lesson and see what he says. I would pay attention to how he answers your questions and to see if he cares about helping you improve or wants to sell you a package deal or something like that. Stay clear of any instructor pushing a package deal unless you know and trust them.

You are right about trial and error when it comes to improving without a coach. If you can afford it, then I would highly recommend getting a lesson or two because you will get better so much faster. The phrase I use more than any other is "feel vs real". What you feel like you are doing is never what you are really doing. I always record my students because when they make a change, they will think they have made a big adjustment but haven't hardly made any change at all and usually don't believe me until I show them on video.

For example, most players pull the club too far to the inside on the backswing. I tell them to imagine their left foot being west, their right foot being east, behind them is south and straight ahead of them is north. I tell them to make their backswing and move the clubhead north and while turning their shoulders. The club now moves on the proper plane. Even when doing this they are never doing it enough and it takes some time to learn the correct way. So trial and error on your own is a lot harder to do. It's not impossible to be self taught and be a good player. It takes a lot longer, and the longer you have a hiccup in your swing, the harder it is to change it. Most self taught players have a move that they've always done and don't even know they are doing it.

It comes down to how serious you take golf and what your budget is. If you are a casual player and can't afford a lesson then going to the range and practicing is still better than not practicing at all. Sorry I always go with golf posts and there is so much more that I could write but I'm trying to keep it somewhat short and not making anyone read a novel. Hope this helps and let me know if you have any questions. GL GL
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IMO, the last two posts contain a lot of really good information. I like the Google Maps analogy.
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I love golf because it combines art and math. I have a strong affinity to both.

The art of golf is in the creation of a shot.

The science of golf is the geometry that determines strategy.

When I was younger I studied Ben Hogans book furiously. I'm aware of the fundamentals, but I'm unable to execute decent shots every time. There are a few things that I do (read: consciously engaged muscles) that I figured out on my own that have meshed nicely with hogans swing. For example I found a nice secure place for my right thumb, for which hogans advice is lacking. I now actively grip the ground with my toes , which activates muscles from hip to toe. I hook too much if I engage the muscles of both shoulders, but just engaging the left shoulder complex has improved path consistency(see previous post about my typical errors; when I get these three focus points accounted for and maintained throughout the swing, I generally hit nice shots if I keep my head down. I need the next step focal point to work on , which will hopefully make the other focal points become unconscious elements of my new swing).

Only other thing ive tweaked recently was the incorporation of left leg extension upon impact when hitting driver. This both added power and height to my shots once I got the hang of it.

Ive been toying with a little pause at the top at the range but havent had enough success with it to take the experimental timing change to the course. Its not ready. I'm open to drills for working in pause at the top.
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