Well for all the Tiger Lover's on the bright side Phil Sucks also

No Phil, no Tiger. Golf's dead.

Tennis anyone?

Phil is done too, just not ball of flames car wreck done. It is going to be young stars versus mid thirties journeyman for a few years now.

Rory says hi

LOL golf's doing just fine to me

agreed soon will have a RORY Goat thread

Tiger craves the former adoration by fans and analysts of how far he hit the golf ball.

He was in a league of his own back in the day, and the new found admiration was intoxicating for a guy who grew up relatively scrawny / nerdy and wasn't a "jock."

Now 10+ years later and there are many others who hit it as long / longer than he does, which fuels this obsession to bulk up and get more and more "speed" while ignoring the realities of aging and biology.

I disagree, and I think others here will as well. Tiger's first and biggest problem when he first came on tour was distance control. He not only had large gaps between irons, but also had a problem in which he was never sure how far any of them would go on a given shot. Obviously, he was also very long off the tee with Driver.

When he refined his swing for consistency he gave up some driving distance, and it never bothered him. If you go back you will see lots of times where Tiger is getting out-driven but someone, yet still doesn't reach back for that extra gear to prove he can out-drive them. He has often used three-wood where others use driver, and it didn't seem to bother him to play first into the green. He has played whole rounds without even using a driver.

Tiger has lots of flaws, but distance-ego wasn't one of them. All he cared about was his score and winning.

if Tiger had an ego about some aspect of his game, my guess it would be putting. In big tournaments in tight situations, you would get the impression that if Tiger had a 10 foot putt for birdie, he knew it was going in, and his opponent knew it was going in.

What Tiger hasn't had for a few years is that ability to put fear in his opponents on the green. If he gets healthy again I bet he will want that back more than anything. (assuming his gets his chipping under control).

Agreed his back and psyche are two major issues.

Aside from his back, history may show that his biggest problem may be making major changes to his swing many times in his career, when all he ever needed was to find a go-to swing for his driver.

That was all he ever needed, and for some reason he always felt he needed to rebuild his whole swing to get that shot.

Look lifting has not hurt his game. Lifting doesn't make you tight unless you do it wrong.

There are tons of explosive and very supple athletes on the planet. Just have to do your mobility work.

Problem is to many athletes have no time for mobility

i see you still dont understand how analogies work. nice try, keep trying though.

14 majors and 73 total tournaments, and the guy's a loser.

lets not take any wins away.

Haha, should have wiki'd first..

Who here said he is a loser?

I might come off on here as kind of a Tiger hater, just because his personality rubbed me the wrong way. At no point did I refer to him as a loser.

Through 2009 Tiger Woods played golf better than anyone has ever done anything. Relative to the field there can be no comparison between any other sport that would qualify. Golf is not Tennis, with it's seeding system, or team sports with matchups and apple/oranges comparisons. He teed it up every week against the 100-120 best players in the world, 5 to 20 of whom were red hot simply due to the laws of large numbers, scored against them simultaneously, and won at over a 30% clip. His accomplishments are staggering.

As a close observer of Tiger, golf in general, and being around a lot of really good players since I was 11 years old, I just think that his current woes are the result of his personality. Just my opinion. To me that is sad because no matter what I think of an individual, I want to see great golf, and it seems to me that Tiger has lost his capacity for that because of his own mindset and actions.

I pretty much agree with all of that. I do think his problems right now are related to his back, though. I actually think his personality has gotten a lot better, and I definitely don't think it accounts for him shooting an 82.

To me it seemed like some of the posts were making it seem like he was somehow an underachiever. A lot of golfers come along that we expect to be the next big thing, or are hyped up as so. Maybe the most recent being Michelle Wie, and for the most part, they struggle to live up to the expectations. I don't think it's so much for their lack of discipline or diligence, more so the reality of how difficult the game and competition are. If you asked me if I thought Tiger would get 14 professional majors before his career started, I would have said 'probably not.' So, for me, I think he's overachieved.

He's become so mechanical he probably thinks about activating his balls before he nuts.

As a skier, I guess Lindsey will be piste off when his glutes fail to activate.

How many sex coaches do you think he's had throughout his illustrious boinking career? The dude seems like he can't stay with one coach or perfected technique for too long. He has fancy play syndrome.

Nailed it. It was obvious from the start that Tiger was a bad person and his self inflicted fall from grace was fairly predictable. No "haters" with a clue think hes a loser. He became such an extreme winner partly due to his me-at-all-costs mentality. Williams was such a good fit for him cos anyone who has a clue about body language can also see hes a giant self involved asshat

Thing is now that he is struggling he is coming across as a different person. Seems more likeable with his interviews.

I still say he rushed back from the back surgery and it may have cost him the rest of his career. Dalaet had the same surgery and took 10 months to get back.
Also his back had to be horrible that he couldnt get the ball out of the hole or pick up the tee

Even if Tiger's back was fine I think the mental stuff would still be a major problem. At the rate he's going its a matter of time until he's running around the golf course in his underwear thinking he's on fire.