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06-24-2020 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
Very kind of you. I do make plenty of mistakes.

They are going to continue this week but the Commish is seriously getting questioned if it is the right thing to do by the media and when/if they’ll suspend the season. He really doesn’t give much of an answer.

If this was any other sport it would be game over. They are able to slug along because there are hundreds of other capable players able to take their place without it diluting the product. Brooks Koepka though is a pretty big hit

The PGA Tour put themselves in this position. And they were spectacular unprepared.

They should have taken over Bandon Dunes like the NBA is planning with Disneyworld. At least to start. Instead they threw their players into a tizzy and you had McIlroy saying thing like you’ll play if you care about your career. Every golfer does. They also care about their health and family.

May we live in interesting times...
You realize the players are the Tour right? It appears that you don't have a basic grasp on some of the basics you keep pontificating about.
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06-24-2020 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
You realize the players are the Tour right? It appears that you don't have a basic grasp on some of the basics you keep pontificating about.

The players are independent contractors.

The caddies are independent contractors of the golfers.

The volunteers work under a separate entity.

All ostensibly operate under the auspices of the PGA Tour.

There is also the PGA Players Advisory Committee which is a quasi-union.

It is very loosely-knit compared to the NFL or NBA. Those players are under contract.

Complex.

Edit: I don’t know exactly how it works. Never sniffed the PGA. I got left behind on the local mini-tours which are equivalent to a poker tournament with the house taking a huge rake. If you don’t come in top 3, you lose money.

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06-24-2020 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
The players are independent contractors.

The caddies are independent contractors of the golfers.

The volunteers work under a separate entity.

All ostensibly operate under the auspices of the PGA Tour.

There is also the PGA Players Advisory Committee which is a quasi-union.

It is very loosely-knit compared to the NFL or NBA. Those players are under contract.

Complex.
Who "threw their players into a tizzy"?
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06-24-2020 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Who "threw their players into a tizzy"?

The PGA Tour announcing that golf was back just like before with the same prize money and number of tournaments. They were all excited. And I don’t think that many players were privy to the plans.

And just last week you had McIlroy borderline harassing Europeans that were concerned about traveling and losing World Points to qualify for tournaments.

You can keep poking away at me on details.

I have been steadfast this was a terrible plan and avoidable.

It sounds idiotic (risky) to travel from South Carolina to Hartford just to shoot a television show. Look how quickly they picked up a spot when a state turned them down. Matter of days to get Muirfield.

It was a very solemn press conference. They should have been having a conference celebrating their successful return instead of getting multiple questions of how long they plan to continue.
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06-24-2020 , 04:16 PM
That's brutal for Chase to Monday qualify and now be out.
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06-24-2020 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
That's brutal for Chase to Monday qualify and now be out.
If I had an open sponsor's exemption in a later event I'd throw one his way.
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06-24-2020 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
The PGA Tour announcing that golf was back just like before with the same prize money and number of tournaments. They were all excited. And I don’t think that many players were privy to the plans.

And just last week you had McIlroy borderline harassing Europeans that were concerned about traveling and losing World Points to qualify for tournaments.

You can keep poking away at me on details.

I have been steadfast this was a terrible plan and avoidable.

It sounds idiotic (risky) to travel from South Carolina to Hartford just to shoot a television show. Look how quickly they picked up a spot when a state turned them down. Matter of days to get Muirfield.

It was a very solemn press conference. They should have been having a conference celebrating their successful return instead of getting multiple questions of how long they plan to continue.
I'm not sure what your agenda is. I do know that you're full of **** though.

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An announcement of the tour's intention to restart is expected this week, acccording to Golf Digest's sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Golf Digest also reported that tour officials spoke with the Players Advisory Committee on Tuesday about their plans.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf...c1tftgmvr0f2jf

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There has been more on Hoffman’s plate than many other players. He’s the Chairman of the PGA Tour Player Advisory Committee and has spent a lot of time on the phone keeping players updated.

“I’ve had a lot of calls with the commissioner (Jay Monahan) and with players,” he said. “As we’re trying to prepare to start, we have to stay in control and plan for the worst.”
https://www.gamingtoday.com/race_spo...ce_amid_crisis
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06-24-2020 , 05:08 PM
Webb Simpson out after a family member tests positive.

http://www.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/...190832346.html

Come’on!!!

This isn’t starting to get ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

Every 15 minutes we are getting a new name!


***PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan held a press conference Wednesday to announce the positive tests and promise "serious repercussions" and consequences for any golfers who break the protocols in place for tournament events. He also said testing will be beefed up next week at the Rocket Mortgage Classic.***

Good job waiting until multiple players, caddies, and family members get it to start testing. Which won’t matter much anyway now.

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06-24-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt


***PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan held a press conference Wednesday to announce the positive tests and promise "serious repercussions" and consequences for any golfers who break the protocols in place for tournament events. He also said testing will be beefed up next week at the Rocket Mortgage Classic.***
If Slugger White is going to be the one enforcing the rules and handing out the consequences for breaking them, then you have cause to be concerned.
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06-24-2020 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
Webb Simpson out after a family member tests positive.

http://www.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/...190832346.html

Come’on!!!

This isn’t starting to get ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

Every 15 minutes we are getting a new name!


***PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan held a press conference Wednesday to announce the positive tests and promise "serious repercussions" and consequences for any golfers who break the protocols in place for tournament events. He also said testing will be beefed up next week at the Rocket Mortgage Classic.***

Good job waiting until multiple players, caddies, and family members get it to start testing. Which won’t matter much anyway now.
Why is Webb Simpson family member getting COVID the PGA fault?

Isnt the protocol working if Webb withdraws immediately without symptoms and without a positive test?
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06-24-2020 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Why is Webb Simpson family member getting COVID the PGA fault?

Isnt the protocol working if Webb withdraws immediately without symptoms and without a positive test?


The real reason I think Webb may have withdrawn?

He has symptoms too. Everyone is better off with him withdrawing instead of another playing testing positive onsite. Graeme McDowell said he is experiencing symptoms too now.

And if the storyline is true? Players shouldn’t be traveling with their family members.

I find it slightly suspicious that Simpson would withdraw when he is onsite and the tournament starts tomorrow.
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06-24-2020 , 09:19 PM
Link to him saying he has symptoms? I mean the symptom's for COVID are pretty wide ranging. I feel pretty sore and achy the morning after a 10k run. I think I'll go with the negative tests rather than what the player feels.

You've gone completely conspiracy theory now. All sports leagues are dealing with positive tests, it was inevitable with starting things back up and doing full scale testing even without symptoms and still not a lot of players have test positive.. Hopefully they are learning what protocols work and don't and we can keep golfing and other major sports can start playing ASAP.
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06-24-2020 , 09:32 PM
I had no idea that golfnutt wrote for Golf Magazine. Huh.
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06-24-2020 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Link to him saying he has symptoms? I mean the symptom's for COVID are pretty wide ranging. I feel pretty sore and achy the morning after a 10k run. I think I'll go with the negative tests rather than what the player feels.

You've gone completely conspiracy theory now. All sports leagues are dealing with positive tests, it was inevitable with starting things back up and doing full scale testing even without symptoms and still not a lot of players have test positive.. Hopefully they are learning what protocols work and don't and we can keep golfing and other major sports can start playing ASAP.

*McDowell himself tested negative on Monday and has shown no symptoms. He felt slightly fatigued last week in Hilton Head but attributed that to resuming golf and the aftermath of a friend’s funeral.*

Whatever the ‘case’ may end up being, he didn’t stick around to get tested.

No, this was not inevitable three weeks into the tour. Well, perhaps if you go from Texas to SC to Connecticut with hundreds of different people over a course of a Gee weeks.

With literally zero testing. When I say testing, I mean you don’t go to the golf course unless you get negative results.

From today’s DFP


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”We’re also going to layer in a variety of testing and screening methods, the first of which is all players, caddies and essential staff will be tested upon arrival,” Langwell told the Free Press before Monahan’s afternoon new conference. “Once they’re tested they will be able to go practice, again maintaining and practicing social distancing as they do. And then they’ll receive the notification when the test results come back. And when they do, they’ll then be able to go register for the event. They will not be able to register and get their credentials until that happens. So that plan’s in place.”
Dear lord. They’re not changing anything. By the time the tournament roles around it’s too late (see Watney)

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Even after listing the increased testing and safety protocols, Monahan said he would not be surprised to see a positive test next week in Detroit.
Real shocker there.

What an unmitigated disaster. Commissioner should resign immediately. Complete embarrassment.
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06-24-2020 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ntnBO
Seems about right. By the second paragraph the article referred to Brooks Koepka as the best player in the world. He’s currently fourth. And also called all this a “psychic blow” to the PGA Tour. A psychic blow?

Admittedly, after what is currently happening with the PGA Tour, I am very concerned that the Champions Tour won’t play again until 2021. So frustrating.

Sports Illustrated joining bandwagon of this was a colossal mistake today.

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My main criticism of the Tour’s return is its decision to keep traveling around the country, even without fans in attendance for the first few weeks. It’s not hard to figure out why—everything the Tour does is influenced by sponsors, and many title sponsors have ties to the areas that host events. (Travelers Companies has a large chunk of its operations in Hartford; Rocket Mortgage, sponsor of next week’s event in Detroit, is a subsidiary of Detroit-based Quicken Loans.) And maybe staying in Florida would have been a disaster because of the outbreak there anyway. But the more you move, the more fires you play with, and the Tour’s decision to bounce around the country seems unnecessarily risky.
Joke all you want. This was an enormous mistake. This is devastating press. All around the world. You have sponsors associated with serious negative news.
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06-24-2020 , 11:18 PM
Agree I'm not sure how people can still be saying that the PGA plan is adequate. The decision to travel all over the country goes against all health guidelines and common sense. Even MLB (which probably ain't gonna work either) is trying to reduce travel by scheduling games geographically.

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06-24-2020 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Precept24
I stopped reading after he said Brooks Koepka was the best player in the world.
That article is spot on, hyperbole about Keopka and Webb Simpson notwithstanding.
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06-25-2020 , 12:37 AM
I really don't care what happens. I need my bread and circuses.
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06-25-2020 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Doubt they make it up. This will be with us for 6-7 months minimum, most likely. Once it gets to be Sept Oct they may as well wait. 2020 is the year of COVID, let's hope most make it through and life returns to some normalcy by 2021.

Right back at you for nailing this early. March 13. What turned out to be the beginning of hell.

This thread delivers quality analysis. Much better than the MSM.

This COVID crushed us. Tough enemy.
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06-25-2020 , 01:41 AM
Was the tour restarted with the idea that no one would get this? Athletes are getting this everywhere and seasons havent started yet. They also all seem to be doing overwhelmingly well and it hasnt seemed close to life threatening in that population.

Again I maintain they are adults playing an individual sport. They are responsible enough to review the risks and make an informed decision whether or not they want to play in spite of the risks

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06-25-2020 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Was the tour restarted with the idea that no one would get this? Athletes are getting this everywhere and seasons havent started yet. They also all seem to be doing overwhelmingly well and it hasnt seemed close to life threatening in that population.

Again I maintain they are adults playing an individual sport. They are responsible enough to review the risks and make an informed decision whether or not they want to play in spite of the risks

Limited personal choice. There are quarantines.

They snuck in this week’s event a day before the 14-day quarantine went to into effect. How convenient.

Why put your players in the position of making a difficult choice? Find a better location. Limit travel. Play every other week.

This is terrible publicity for them. All avoidable. Tiger ain’t playing for ages.
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06-25-2020 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
Limited personal choice. There are quarantines.

They snuck in this week’s event a day before the 14-day quarantine went to into effect. How convenient.

Why put your players in the position of making a difficult choice? Find a better location. Limit travel. Play every other week.

This is terrible publicity for them. All avoidable. Tiger ain’t playing for ages.
You were wrong about no golf in 2020 and you'll be wrong about Tiger. Stick to pearl-clutching and not predictions imo.
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06-25-2020 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
Limited personal choice. There are quarantines.

They snuck in this week’s event a day before the 14-day quarantine went to into effect. How convenient.

Why put your players in the position of making a difficult choice? Find a better location. Limit travel. Play every other week.

This is terrible publicity for them. All avoidable. Tiger ain’t playing for ages.
Then why aren't the players speaking up and making a bigger deal out of it? It seems to bother you much more than it seems to bother them.

And at this point I dgaf if Tiger plays. Sports are back and I'm watching more golf than I have in my life, including Thursday and Friday.
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06-25-2020 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Then why aren't the players speaking up and making a bigger deal out of it? It seems to bother you much more than it seems to bother them.

And at this point I dgaf if Tiger plays. Sports are back and I'm watching more golf than I have in my life, including Thursday and Friday.

It doesn’t bother me quite as much as it once did. We have basically given up in America.

What irks me is that they when they announced their return, they made a big production of how important the health and safety of their members was going to be.

With that in mind, they chose to crisscross the country and do no testing. Virtually ensuring multiple members would get the virus.

Every other sports league is trying to avoid travel at all costs and will institute strict testing.

The PGA does whatever they want. They don’t care at all. The position they find themselves was avoidable.

Let’s see how the players and caddies come back.
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06-25-2020 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Then why aren't the players speaking up and making a bigger deal out of it? It seems to bother you much more than it seems to bother them.

And at this point I dgaf if Tiger plays. Sports are back and I'm watching more golf than I have in my life, including Thursday and Friday.

It doesn’t bother me quite as much as it once did. We have basically given up in America.

What irks me is that they when they announced their return, they made a big production of how important the health and safety of their members was going to be.

With that in mind, they chose to crisscross the country and do no testing. Virtually ensuring multiple members would get the virus.

Every other sports league is trying to avoid travel at all costs and will institute strict testing.

The PGA does whatever they want. They don’t care at all. The position they find themselves was avoidable.

Let’s see how the players and caddies come back.
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