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Old 05-25-2017, 11:54 AM   #76
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That is a good video for you. I agree at 0:20 is exactly what you're doing. You let your left wrist break down in an attempt to square the club face because your subconscious knows it is wide open.

It would if you were in a correct position. Watch that video and try to get into the correct position at the top first. Then try to incorporate some of what I was saying about starting the downswing. And then you also need to turn the hips more and hold the lag and get the hands ahead of the clubhead.
This is a great plan imo. I just wanted to add that what suit is saying should be accomplished over the course of many months, and you should not try to move on from one idea until you've mastered the previous one, and should never try to work on more than one thing at a time... I think that's what burns most golfers in general.
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If you can some how do all this you'll be on track to way better contact and better golf. Problem is that this is maybe one of the most difficult things to do because it won't work at first. You'll hit everything way right at first and think it is worse than before. You just gotta fight through that and figure it out. Don't be afraid to get worse before you get better. 95% give up on the fix because of this reason.
Bolded is the very essense of what makes golf so freaking difficult. I think most of us that have the time want to work at it, but it's so hard to formulate and actually stick to a practice plan that encourages improvement.

Aaron, now would probably be a good time to start setting practice goals and being fairly rigid with what you are going to work on each session. IMO practicing in a way that it actually encourages improvement is by far the most important thing for a golfer to get right, but it's something that's much easier said than done. There are many books/articles on how to practice and make swing changes, and I think you can glean useful things from all of them.

This probably won't be perfect for you, but here are some rules I have for when I practice, I suggest you come up with some of your own.

1) Never work on more than one swing change at a time
2) Make sure that prior to every swing, be it practice or with a ball, you know whether or not what you're working on is mechanical (swing though) or target oriented (trying to hit the ball somewhere).
3) NEVER worry about where the ball goes when working on a mechanical swing thought, NEVER worry or even think about mechanics when practicing with a target in mind.
4) Try to have a 50/50ish mix of both target and mechanical shots in every session.

I have a laminated note card with those four in my bag, and I literally force myself to read it every time I practice. If I ever feel that I'm not being purposeful while I'm out there, I'll either stop completely or head to the chipping green.

I think everyone should come up with their own game-plan, and most importantly be judicious with sticking to it no matter what the results are for that practice session.
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Old 05-25-2017, 12:02 PM   #77
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Old 05-25-2017, 01:13 PM   #78
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OK, yea, I see it, I guess my first thing to work on will be getting my hands through, focusing on starting the golf swing with my core/shoulders, I feel like it's really only a few inches I need to get my hands forward and that it's doable.

I'm gonna go and watch these recently linked videos. A bunch of things have been recommended in this thread as far as 'bigger' material, what should I start with? Would like to have some kind of consensus/agreement.
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Old 05-25-2017, 01:18 PM   #79
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I feel like the wrist c0cking thing might be pretty correlated with the in to out swing, feels like focusing more on my wrists will more naturally bring me down the right side with a more Furyk swing, yay/nay?

I was going to take the weekend off but I might go today to mess with this stuff even though my back/neck are kind of bothering me, does it matter what iron I use? I assume just a 7?

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Old 05-25-2017, 01:30 PM   #80
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This Slicefixer video is hilarious
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Old 05-25-2017, 02:07 PM   #81
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OK, yea, I see it, I guess my first thing to work on will be getting my hands through, focusing on starting the golf swing with my core/shoulders, I feel like it's really only a few inches I need to get my hands forward and that it's doable.

I'm gonna go and watch these recently linked videos. A bunch of things have been recommended in this thread as far as 'bigger' material, what should I start with? Would like to have some kind of consensus/agreement.
Don't start with your shoulders. They come last. Start with your legs and hips. Your shoulders need to wait for your hands to start to drop before they start turning.

As far as the hands forward part goes I like to think that I want to feel my hands get even with my left thigh before impact. You really want them to be in front of your left thigh at impact so trying to get them there first is what helped me. For a long time my only swing thought was hands to left thigh. Started hitting shots with a more piercing ball flights that carried farther. I am guessing you hit your irons pretty high.
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Old 05-25-2017, 02:08 PM   #82
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This Slicefixer video is hilarious
Maybe so but the guy's swing is a thing of beauty!
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Old 05-25-2017, 02:12 PM   #83
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Don't start with your shoulders. They come last. Start with your legs and hips. Your shoulders need to wait for your hands to start to drop before they start turning.

As far as the hands forward part goes I like to think that I want to feel my hands get even with my left thigh before impact. You really want them to be in front of your left thigh at impact so trying to get them there first is what helped me. For a long time my only swing thought was hands to left thigh. Started hitting shots with a more piercing ball flights that carried farther. I am guessing you hit your irons pretty high.
Absurdly high, yes
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Old 05-25-2017, 03:08 PM   #84
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The tour striker would be a good training aid for you once you start to get the flipping under control.
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Old 05-25-2017, 03:47 PM   #85
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Holy **** this feels so different, will take a video in a bit
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Old 05-25-2017, 05:05 PM   #86
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Ok, so I tried pretty hard to lead with my hips, it felt very "uncoily" which I think is correct, but at impact my hands still weren't really ahead of the ball. Shots were errant (brought back some pretty hard slices), but the good news is that some of the best ones felt really good-- hit a lot straight with some of shorter clubs, and most importantly the distance felt awesome again, lot of "still climbing" type of shots. The videos suck, but I'll post them shortly, I think I'm gonna go back for another session here in a bit.

(and watch the wristcock video at the range)
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Old 05-25-2017, 05:17 PM   #87
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Mixed bag here, I think mostly bad, my focus was just starting to uncoil by going with my hips first, but the result was probably getting through too fast and still not keeping my hands in front of the ball. I'm not sure if some of my shots still did that or what, but I think the result in these videos were pretty bad (and since this felt so new, and I was only focusing on starting with my hips, I probably picked up a bunch of other terrible things as side effects)







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Old 05-25-2017, 05:22 PM   #88
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This is a great plan imo. I just wanted to add that what suit is saying should be accomplished over the course of many months, and you should not try to move on from one idea until you've mastered the previous one, and should never try to work on more than one thing at a time... I think that's what burns most golfers in general.

Bolded is the very essense of what makes golf so freaking difficult. I think most of us that have the time want to work at it, but it's so hard to formulate and actually stick to a practice plan that encourages improvement.

Aaron, now would probably be a good time to start setting practice goals and being fairly rigid with what you are going to work on each session. IMO practicing in a way that it actually encourages improvement is by far the most important thing for a golfer to get right, but it's something that's much easier said than done. There are many books/articles on how to practice and make swing changes, and I think you can glean useful things from all of them.

This probably won't be perfect for you, but here are some rules I have for when I practice, I suggest you come up with some of your own.

1) Never work on more than one swing change at a time
2) Make sure that prior to every swing, be it practice or with a ball, you know whether or not what you're working on is mechanical (swing though) or target oriented (trying to hit the ball somewhere).
3) NEVER worry about where the ball goes when working on a mechanical swing thought, NEVER worry or even think about mechanics when practicing with a target in mind.
4) Try to have a 50/50ish mix of both target and mechanical shots in every session.

I have a laminated note card with those four in my bag, and I literally force myself to read it every time I practice. If I ever feel that I'm not being purposeful while I'm out there, I'll either stop completely or head to the chipping green.

I think everyone should come up with their own game-plan, and most importantly be judicious with sticking to it no matter what the results are for that practice session.
I don't think I've ever really done anything target based when training, it's all just "did that shot feel like a golf shot" based (except with friends trying to hit it closest to a flag or w/e). I have time this summer so I have no problem breaking it down and sucking, only playing a round like once a week and scoring in the 100s or w/e, idc, longview has never been a problem of mine. Next week I'll put in something a little more rigid, but at the moment as long as I'm healthy I'm just going to hit a cpl hundred balls a day, maybe play once a week or something. Will also do some putting/chipping after hitting the range, and by the end of the summer I'll probably do more concentrated stuff on that (my chipping is coming along pretty well after the last lesson I got, it's just a matter of hitting a few thousand so I really understand the distance in the air/roll with each club).
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Old 05-25-2017, 06:00 PM   #89
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i think you are getting great advice...

not sure i would overdo it necessarily on hands ahead of the ball with driver. i personally think driver swing is pretty different from wedge swing - at other extreme - especially if you are going to hit up on driver... hitting up on driver is a bit of a physics challenge with hands ahead of the ball. some combo of body tilt and hitting like a topspin forehand i guess makes it make sense.

i like the idea that was suggested about doing half your range balls with target in mind and doing it by feel. and then the other half work on mechanics and improving your swing.

golf - especially if you don't play that much - is constant oscillation between playing easily and by feel and then at the other end mechanics.
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Old 05-25-2017, 06:40 PM   #90
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not sure i would overdo it necessarily on hands ahead of the ball with driver. i personally think driver swing is pretty different from wedge swing
This is mostly true. The difference about the driver is ball position. You position the ball farther forward with the driver so at impact when your hands are even with your left thigh, that means they are not as much ahead of the ball as they are with a wedge. Your hands will still be at about the same place at impact however.
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Old 05-25-2017, 09:14 PM   #91
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5/25: 3.5 buckets

Yea I have no idea how today went, I suppose okay, but I'm a little confused about the wrist thing (I understand they should basically move on a vertical axis but not horizontally, sorta) and I have no idea if I ever got my hands out in front. I guess I can focus for now on just starting my swing with my hips and getting through so that my weight is on my front foot when I finish (I think it was usually anyway, but sometimes I'd leave some on my back foot). If I get my lower body right for stuff like that, kinda of change the cadence of my swing, hopefully the hands and wrist thing come more natural. I'll keep watching videos
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Watch this video and try to swing like this guy.

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Old 05-25-2017, 11:37 PM   #93
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God what a swing!
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:19 AM   #94
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Thing of beauty.
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:31 AM   #95
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Welcome to the world of a golf addict. Pretty soon you will be putting in way more time golfing then you do on DFS
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Watch this video and try to swing like this guy.

What a timeless swing
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:31 PM   #97
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5/26: 1 bucket, 100 chips

I couldn't stay away, I wanted to really try to get this hand thing working. The good news is I felt like I hit the ball really, really well. The second and third shots were basically perfect results wise, straight and hit super hard. The bad news is on the videos I still have my hands in line with the ball.

My focus today was on starting the swing with the hips, but I was trying to kind of be mindful of what my wrists were doing. You'll see in some of these I kind of get to the top and c0ck them a but, I wind up getting past parallel. Idk if that's bad, maybe I should be doing less of a backswing and I little more of a wrist c0ck?





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The bad news is on the videos I still have my hands in line with the ball.
That is an improvement then. Just try to exaggerate it. If you try to get your hands past your left thigh at impact, you will maybe actually get them to the left thigh.
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That is an improvement then. Just try to exaggerate it. If you try to get your hands past your left thigh at impact, you will maybe actually get them to the left thigh.
Is there anything I can do about ball placement (should I try playing it off my left foot or something?)

Also I'm not adverse to getting a lesson, but I got two different lessons that didn't say anything about this and consensus is that it's pretty important so I'd rather not get a lesson if they aren't going to address this. Maybe I'll just keep grinding the range and exaggerating this the best I can for a week or two and see where I am
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Freeze-frame the Hogan video at about 1:09 and compare it to the 12 seconds mark of the first 8-iron video you just posted.

Your arms are way behind your chest and you are dumping the club on the downswing to try and catch up and let you hit the ball. Your arms should be synced in front of your chest not trailing so far behind.

I think you would be better served to take only half swings when practicing, to focus on holding the leverage and syncing the arms with the body turn - similar to the first guy in the Slicefixer video I posted. If you can groove a solid half-swing, it is relatively easy to just lengthen the swing to add distance. Anything you are working on can be practiced with a half swing.
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