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06-16-2018 , 07:34 PM
For the first time since I was a kid I am carrying a 3w and a 5w in my bag. My 3w is 13.5* and I still think it's easy to launch off the deck.

In the summer here a hybrid can be good (I carry a 19* turned to 21*) to get out of thicker lies in the rough.
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06-16-2018 , 08:54 PM
Yea, as like a 25 hcp or something it seems like these things just won't matter until I'm a 15. I just feel like I suck so terribly, that half stroke for the gap in my bag is the least of my worries
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06-17-2018 , 03:10 AM
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Pause the video at impact, you will see that your lower body is WAY out of sync with your upper body. At impact your hips are rotated out towards the target to about 1:00 (probably a little too much), but your upper body is still perpendicular to the target. As a result your right arm is fully extended at impact and your probably are losing some swing speed. Try to get both hips and upper body to about 1:30 at impact, maybe hips can be slightly ahead but not nearly as much as they are right now.
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06-17-2018 , 03:37 AM
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Pause the video at impact, you will see that your lower body is WAY out of sync with your upper body. At impact your hips are rotated out towards the target to about 1:00 (probably a little too much), but your upper body is still perpendicular to the target. As a result your right arm is fully extended at impact and your probably are losing some swing speed. Try to get both hips and upper body to about 1:30 at impact, maybe hips can be slightly ahead but not nearly as much as they are right now.
Yes, thanks, this is exactly what I'm working on. Trying to get a little more 'squat,' bringing my left hip back to meet my right and give my hands/arms more room to get through quicker instead of being blocked by my right hip. Definitely a sequencing thing. Trying a few different things from a feel POV, but it's pretty hard-- I think I should just think about my arms leading the downswing, since at my worst I tend to fire my lower body in transition before my upper body is even fully rotated (I don't have really problems this severe anymore, but definitely still getting my hips around too soon).

Anyway, I have an idea of what the problem is, just having a little trouble remedying it.
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06-18-2018 , 10:12 AM
are you considering lessons? seems like they would help you fix that the most efficient way as it is a pretty common swing fault
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06-19-2018 , 12:18 AM
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are you considering lessons? seems like they would help you fix that the most efficient way as it is a pretty common swing fault
Yea I'm not in a very good place for them atm, but I will try to get a couple when I'm in Vegas-- I'm pretty worried about the information asymmetry in golf coaches considering my knowledge of other areas where donks rule even the upper echelons. So I want to make sure I get someone good who knows about #science
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06-22-2018 , 01:42 AM
Still not too happy with where I'm at mechanically, hips around too quickly and flippy, but the results actually seem pretty good. Wanted to post some more recent vids







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06-22-2018 , 05:12 AM
Those wrists still releasing quite a bit too early, one thing that has helped me a lot this year is a tip that I got from a meandmygolf youtube vid, when you start your downswing, try bringing your right elbow close to your body and keeping it there as long as u can through the downswing. Doing this has helped my impact position quite a bit.

Also just in general I feel like you could benefit from just going to the range (or preferably a LM ) and trying out new things with your swing to see what works. It looks like to me that you're trying to have this perfect looking robotic backswing, and in my personal exp, I semi wasted 2+ years trying to do just that. For example watch Bubba watsons swing on youtube a bunch of times then go to the range and give it a whirl. Lengthen the backswing, trying shifting your weight in different ways, try manipulating the club face in different ways, etc,. I'd stop worrying about what it looks at least some of the time, end of the day it doesn't matter as long as you're consistently getting the ball striking numbers you're looking for.
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06-22-2018 , 09:57 AM
IMHO your swing looks too long and your arms are getting stuck behind. Body is way out in front and you are flipping to catch up at the last minute.


I'd highly recommend watching this video from Monte Scheinblum called the "no turn cast drill". It might legitimately be the best golf video on youtube.

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06-22-2018 , 07:57 PM
^^^ those are definitely my problems yes, I have been doing a drill against the wall where I meet my left hip back against the wall to my right hip, and do a lot of slow motion swings where I'm careful to make sure my hips are <45 degrees open, I'm getting a little bit of squat knee bend, but also staying back and my right knee isn't in front of my hip at impact.

But in quicker motion it just ain't having it yet.
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06-22-2018 , 08:02 PM
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Those wrists still releasing quite a bit too early, one thing that has helped me a lot this year is a tip that I got from a meandmygolf youtube vid, when you start your downswing, try bringing your right elbow close to your body and keeping it there as long as u can through the downswing. Doing this has helped my impact position quite a bit.

Also just in general I feel like you could benefit from just going to the range (or preferably a LM ) and trying out new things with your swing to see what works. It looks like to me that you're trying to have this perfect looking robotic backswing, and in my personal exp, I semi wasted 2+ years trying to do just that. For example watch Bubba watsons swing on youtube a bunch of times then go to the range and give it a whirl. Lengthen the backswing, trying shifting your weight in different ways, try manipulating the club face in different ways, etc,. I'd stop worrying about what it looks at least some of the time, end of the day it doesn't matter as long as you're consistently getting the ball striking numbers you're looking for.
Eh, I'm not really trying to do too much fancy, and I have no reason to really have a slow or fast takeaway. I am basically trying to keep a few bullet points for my swing: first, stay "against a wall" kind of on the takeaway, so that when the club is level with the ground it's roughly equal to the hands from straight behind. Starting on this path will make sure I come more inside out on the downswing. Second I am trying to not overswing by staying wide, and get turned obv. These things are pretty second nature to me at the moment. But after I do those things in the takeaway-- I have trouble really having many swing thoughts after that, as you might expect.

I am working with someone 1-2x per week via video, so I don't wanna get too weird (I mean I do hit random balls all the time with different focuses, from different parts of my stance, with a ball on my chest to maintain width, etc. Hands out in front will come if my right hip isn't blocking-- but again, even if I think "start downswing with hands setting" or something, I just wind up getting my lower body around first. It's just so depressing to see how good it feels and think I'm having good results, and it I'm just always flipping when I check the tape
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06-22-2018 , 08:23 PM
Super interesting video, looking forward to trying it on the range tomorrow
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06-22-2018 , 08:41 PM
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Yea I'm not in a very good place for them atm, but I will try to get a couple when I'm in Vegas-- I'm pretty worried about the information asymmetry in golf coaches considering my knowledge of other areas where donks rule even the upper echelons. So I want to make sure I get someone good who knows about #science
If you are serious about improving at golf, you shouldnt just "get a couple" of lessons. You should get one swing coach and buy into the process.

By the way, just from reading a few of your posts, you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be IMO.

By the way in the above videos, the DTL1 video was slightly better than DTL2....DTL2 you took it outside to begin with then almost came over the top and your finish was non existent. DTL1 was a way better move IMO.

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06-22-2018 , 09:04 PM
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If you are serious about improving at golf, you shouldnt just "get a couple" of lessons. You should get one swing coach and buy into the process.

By the way, just from reading a few of your posts, you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be IMO.
Yea, the issue with the first paragraph here is that I just don't spend more than like 2 weeks in any one place, too much random traveling and have multiple residences, that's why I've been doing stuff via video. I agree it's not optimal and I'm hoping to do something like 1-2 weeks worth of coaching irl at some point to clean up a bunch of random stuff so that I can get back to practicing on my own.

It's plausible that I am, I've read and watched a lot of stuff over the course of the last year, but at this point I've internalized most of it (just can't do some of it). I can't really "just hit the ball" though without paying attention to backswing or transition or something, brain wants to do a lot of silly **** to get the clubhead to the ball and you obviously have to put it in a good spot to do that.
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06-22-2018 , 09:24 PM
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Yea, the issue with the first paragraph here is that I just don't spend more than like 2 weeks in any one place, too much random traveling and have multiple residences, that's why I've been doing stuff via video. I agree it's not optimal and I'm hoping to do something like 1-2 weeks worth of coaching irl at some point to clean up a bunch of random stuff so that I can get back to practicing on my own.

It's plausible that I am, I've read and watched a lot of stuff over the course of the last year, but at this point I've internalized most of it (just can't do some of it). I can't really "just hit the ball" though without paying attention to backswing or transition or something, brain wants to do a lot of silly **** to get the clubhead to the ball and you obviously have to put it in a good spot to do that.
Yeah, you definitely need to get to the point of visualizing shot and then executing. IMO if you have "swing thoughts" while swinging, you should not be hitting golf balls at all but instead refining a swing that is repeatable. It's counterproductive. This may seem unorthodox, but it's all I know.
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06-22-2018 , 11:55 PM
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Eh, I'm not really trying to do too much fancy, and I have no reason to really have a slow or fast takeaway. I am basically trying to keep a few bullet points for my swing: first, stay "against a wall" kind of on the takeaway, so that when the club is level with the ground it's roughly equal to the hands from straight behind. Starting on this path will make sure I come more inside out on the downswing. Second I am trying to not overswing by staying wide, and get turned obv. These things are pretty second nature to me at the moment. But after I do those things in the takeaway-- I have trouble really having many swing thoughts after that, as you might expect.

I am working with someone 1-2x per week via video, so I don't wanna get too weird (I mean I do hit random balls all the time with different focuses, from different parts of my stance, with a ball on my chest to maintain width, etc. Hands out in front will come if my right hip isn't blocking-- but again, even if I think "start downswing with hands setting" or something, I just wind up getting my lower body around first. It's just so depressing to see how good it feels and think I'm having good results, and it I'm just always flipping when I check the tape
Yeah, been there.
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06-23-2018 , 05:44 PM
Fwiw I have a similar swing to you, and have worked with Monte. My swing thought is get right hip deep in backswing and then lower body becomes a statue. Don’t move lower body at all, feel like arms swing down and I’m gonna bottom out somewhere in front of my right foot (12 inches behind the ball at least). In reality that never happens and lower body moves all on its own, it’s a feel vs real thing. Another way to feel the same may be feel like weight stays on right side. Or feel like your right knee moves to the *right* in downswing.
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06-23-2018 , 10:19 PM
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Fwiw I have a similar swing to you, and have worked with Monte. My swing thought is get right hip deep in backswing and then lower body becomes a statue. Don’t move lower body at all, feel like arms swing down and I’m gonna bottom out somewhere in front of my right foot (12 inches behind the ball at least). In reality that never happens and lower body moves all on its own, it’s a feel vs real thing. Another way to feel the same may be feel like weight stays on right side. Or feel like your right knee moves to the *right* in downswing.
^^^ this seems smart, looking forward to giving it a try tomorrow
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06-23-2018 , 11:48 PM
I was just thinking about why that makes so much sense to me, and it's because if you get into your right hip, and then you feel like you stay there, I feel like you're more likely to have your left hip go back to meet it instead of rotating and going forward.
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06-25-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Fwiw I have a similar swing to you, and have worked with Monte. My swing thought is get right hip deep in backswing and then lower body becomes a statue. Don’t move lower body at all, feel like arms swing down and I’m gonna bottom out somewhere in front of my right foot (12 inches behind the ball at least). In reality that never happens and lower body moves all on its own, it’s a feel vs real thing. Another way to feel the same may be feel like weight stays on right side. Or feel like your right knee moves to the *right* in downswing.
Ive watched a fair bit of Monte videos at various points, how’d you like working with him? He could be someone that I just spent a week with getting daily lessons that might really help
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06-26-2018 , 05:52 AM
Went to a clinic of his and enjoyed it for sure. He’s very easy to work with and straightforward. I think he definitely knows the golf swing inside and out.
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08-17-2018 , 02:35 AM
8/17/18: A month ago I did a week of irl lessons and have played a few times since I got back to Toronto. I intermittently have a workable driver, my ball striking comes and goes (but I have an excellent understanding of the swing), the last year's 60 degree work has done wonders, and while my putting is bad, I at least have put some sort of system in place the last few rounds that will probably be workable.

Today I broke 90 for the first time by shooting at 89 at course in the GTA called Brae Ben (129/71.5/6335y). It's short but hilly and tricky and has some blind tee shots. My second time playing here. Highlights included bouncing just in front and then ultimately a pace off the back of a par 5 in 2 and tapping in for birdie (birdied a diff par 5 on this course where I was on in two last time I played here-- 500 yard par 5s are a lot easier than 580 yard par 5s, it turns out).

Took my scoring so seriously I denied myself a breakfast ball (feel free to call it a 87 in your head). The GTA sucks for golf since I live downtown and it's annoying getting in my car/dealing with traffic, but next week I'll be somewhere better and have a chance to practice a bit.

Will probably post mostly highlights in this thread from here on out.
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08-17-2018 , 02:44 AM
Oh, I should probably mention that I hit some balls on a monitor randomly when I Was looking at clubs, my 7i swing speed is in the mid 80s and my driver is in the low 100s. I was recommended a few launch monitors (Xi+ XiTour or Foresight GC2) and will probably get one soonish, lmk if anyone has any recommendations. I think I'd probably use it at the range in the summer and swing into a net in my garage in the winter. I don't care about playing courses, just the raw data.
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08-17-2018 , 09:57 AM
Congrats on breaking 90.
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08-18-2018 , 11:07 AM
Thanks.

..why can't I just click "buy" on these launch monitors somewhere? They want me to email them?

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