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Old 10-28-2012, 05:08 PM   #1
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58 watch....

i loe the SE forum's no-hitter watch thread...

thought it would be good for the golf forum to have 59 watch.... so many low scores these days...

last few weeks we've had gainey, fowler (28 on front), van pelt and watney have decent go's at it
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:43 AM   #2
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re: 58 watch....

OK I'll play seems like a worthy topic.

Jay Haas shot 60 today at the Tradition. 28 on the back. Had a bunker shot on the par 5 18th to shoot 59. Left it 8 ft short Would have been the first 59 on the Senior Tour. There have been 8 60's.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:07 AM   #3
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snedeker is 11 under through 16 in china, needs two birdies coming in
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:17 AM   #4
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birdie on 17, needs birdie on 18 to do it
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:27 AM   #5
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hes got a 20 footer for birdie on 18
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:32 AM   #6
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Old 11-03-2012, 04:58 PM   #7
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This thread will slow down once play leaves Asia. Easy courses over there imo.
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Old 11-10-2012, 03:13 PM   #8
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there was a golf magazine or digest article about guys shooting 62 or better and that a 58 might be around the corner

i think analysis showed that 5 or 6 tourneys accounted for most of it. deere, hope palm springs. maybe greenbrier or memphis. maybe someome can fill in blanks

i wonder what best round on a tough course is. i realize subjective.
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Old 11-10-2012, 03:16 PM   #9
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http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2...r-of-58-riccio

good article.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:50 PM   #10
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i wonder what best round on a tough course is. i realize subjective.
Geiberger's 59 without question. 35 years ago and I want to say the next best score of the week was 66.

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Old 11-12-2012, 02:07 PM   #11
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Lift-clean-place though for Mr. 59.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:41 PM   #12
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i wonder what best round on a tough course is. i realize subjective.
Never been a 59 on European Tour of course, but Darren Clarke's round of 60 at the K Club was something special.

IIRC (and I was there at the time), he was 12 under after 16 and missed decent birdie chances on 17 and 18.

K Club is certainly no mickey-mouse course.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:12 PM   #13
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Never been a 59 on European Tour of course, but Darren Clarke's round of 60 at the K Club was something special.

IIRC (and I was there at the time), he was 12 under after 16 and missed decent birdie chances on 17 and 18.

K Club is certainly no mickey-mouse course.
great rounds on tough courses i think would include miller 63 USO and norman 63 british open (doing the norman from memory).....
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:27 AM   #14
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A few outstanding US Open rounds...

Arnold Palmer, 1960 Cherry Hills 65 best by 4. Arguably best US Open ever. Hogan could have won, Nicklaus should have won, but it took sports writer Bob Drum with his famous "65 won't do you any good" quip to motivate Palmer to his first (and only) US Open win. Hogan had made the first 34 greens in regulation on Saturday, but spun a short wedge on #17 back into the water, and blew up with a triple on 18. Nicklaus had the lead with 9 holes remaining, but made 3 bogeys and lost by 2.

Ken Venturi, 1964 Congressional 3rd round 66 best by 3. Only 1 other 3rd round in the 60s. Won. Last US Open with final day 36 holes. Anybody think of Venturi when Beljam was struggling last week?

Billy Casper 1966 Olympic 4th round 68 best by 1, but it was his 3rd round in the 60s when the rest of the field only had 12 for the week. Won in playoff. He and Palmer finished 7 shots ahead of the next competitor, Nicklaus.

Jack Nicklaus 1967 Baltusrol 4th round 65 best by 3. 72 hole aggregate score 275 set the US Open record.

Tony Jacklin 1970 Hazeltine, 1st round 71 best by 3. Ended up winning by 7.

Jim Simons (a) 1971 Merion, 3rd round 65 best by 3. Last amateur to lead US Open going into 4th round.

David Graham 1981 Merion, 4th round 67, made all 18 greens in regulation, and with the exception of #1 (missed fairway by about a foot) did not miss a fairway. Likely the most methodically perfect US Open final round ever.

Larry Nelson 1983 Oakmont, 3rd round 65 best by 4. Ended up shooting 36 hole record 132 and won.

Keith Clearwater 1987 Olympic, 3rd round 64 best by 3. (he shot 79 4th round)

Curtis Strange 1989 Oak Hill, 2nd round 64 best by 4. Won.

Tom Lehman 1996 Oakland Hills, 3rd round 65 best by 3. 2nd.

Mark Brooks 2001 Southern Hills, 2nd round 64 best by 4, with round interrupted by thunderstorms.

Tim Clark 2004 Shinnecock 2nd round 66 best by 3. Only 2 other rounds in the 60s.

Rory McIlroy 2011 Congressional 1st round 65 best by 3. 72 hole aggregate score 268 established new record by 4 shots.

Michael Thompson 2012 Olympic 1st round 66 best by 3.

FYI, Johnny Miller's final round 63 at 1973 US Open was 2 shots better than Lanny Wadkins' final round 65.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:03 PM   #15
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2000

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Old 11-13-2012, 06:44 PM   #16
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i was there. saw tiger go i think 6-under in 4 holes. 15 thru 18 (started on 10th... and assumes 16 and 18 were both playing as par 5's which i'm not sure).

he only beat waite by one stroke though?? amazing shot on 18 though.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:39 PM   #17
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re: 58 watch....

I know I'm reviving an old thread but I think my posting here might be most relevant.

So here we go and this is more of a theoretical or perception question.

Is shooting a 59 on a par 70 course the same as shooting a 59 on a par 72 course, or is it a fairer comparison to say that shooting a 59 on par 70 course is more like a 61 on a par 72 course?

So that said then if someone shoots a 59 or a par 72 course would its equal be a 57 or a par 70 course?
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:02 PM   #18
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re: 58 watch....

I think as long as par is 70 or higher, then a 59 is a 59. Goofy courses with like par 66 obviously don't count.

Par 57 on a par 70 is better than a 59 on a par 72. Part is it is obviously the par 72 will have 2 more par 5's which makes scoring easier relative to par. But also when you are talking about obscenely low numbers is just the actual score most people think about, not how many under par they were.
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:30 PM   #19
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I think the hype of a 59 on a 70 or 71 is dumb. While those are insanely good, -13 on a 72 is the ultimate and nothing else compares. That is the benchmark.

Not all 70s or 71s are just less par 5s. Sometimes there are less par 3s. Regardless, -13 will always be harder to achieve unless the 70s and 71s are playing 520 yard par 4s that have been converted.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:34 PM   #20
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I know I'm reviving an old thread but I think my posting here might be most relevant.

So here we go and this is more of a theoretical or perception question.

Is shooting a 59 on a par 70 course the same as shooting a 59 on a par 72 course, or is it a fairer comparison to say that shooting a 59 on par 70 course is more like a 61 on a par 72 course?

So that said then if someone shoots a 59 or a par 72 course would its equal be a 57 or a par 70 course?

It's not linear like this. A 59 is ridiculous no matter if it's par 72, 71, or 70. And as another poster said, the par 70 may mean 2 par 5s instead of 4, which are the easiest scoring holes. Obviously a 59 is still "better" if it came on a par 72, but as I said it's not as linear a difference as it looks.

Ultimately you want to look at the course rating and slope to differentiate between them all. But I'm not sure Tour set-ups have a published rating/slope.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:39 PM   #21
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Not all 70s or 71s are just less par 5s. Sometimes there are less par 3s. Regardless, -13 will always be harder to achieve unless the 70s and 71s are playing 520 yard par 4s that have been converted.
WAT. Is this right? If you have fewer par 3s that means you have to make up for it with an extra par 4 or 5.

It seems that for a course of 18 holes that is par 70 or 71, the number of par 3s will either equal or outnumber the number of par 5s. Because the average hole is now <4 par. Kinda negates your point about scoring.

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Old 07-26-2013, 08:55 PM   #22
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:50 PM   #23
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WAT. Is this right?
Obv typo
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Old 07-27-2013, 12:01 AM   #24
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Not a typo. It's not common, but there's courses with odd setups for par 70 or 71.

US AM setup

First one is 3 par 3s and 1 par 5. Second is 5 par 3s and 3 par 5s. Both par 70. Both look retardedly modified on some holes though. They could both be 72s probably.
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Well, taken as a stand alone modification from the generic course setup of Two Par 3's and Two Par 5's per side, your quote:

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"Not all 70s or 71s are just less par 5s. Sometimes there are less par 3s"
...would mean that the par is above 72. I know you know this and you're probably just overlooking what was an obvious typo of "more par 3s". When you look back at the posts you'll see what we're talking about.


(unless it's less par 3's because they're being replaced by par 2's)

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