While I agree with you, I think it is important that there is a place to discuss this kind of stuff for whoever has decided to not get vaccinated. If you'd like to discuss why people should get vaccinated, please do so elsewhere.



On another note: please do not mention any illegal methods to travel. This includes forging of documents.

Not sure why we always get lumped into that anti-vaxx group. I got like 7 vaccines right around when covid was hitting just to catch up since I hadn't been in the states in a decade. Had an adverse reaction from one that was pretty horrible, still have nothing against vaccines but this new experiment just isn't for me, statistically or personally. I'll take a straight injection of the rona which should make people feel better as it produces longer lasting antibodies anyways. Alas its not about public safety as much as virtue signaling and bending to increased government control.

regardless - how useful are comments in an UNVACCINATED travel guide where you simply insult people and tell them to get vaxxed???? 4th boosters already being approved btw, good luck on booster shot #1 thru #172 all being completely safe with zero harmful effects. Keep pounding 2 liters of coca cola and megabags of doritos though, government fully supports and subsidizes those industries which mean they must also be for the public good, amirite? insert science here, studies funded by monsanto and the corn industry ofc.

I've heard quite a bit of chatter on African countries that have relatively laxx measures in the current mask/jab environment. Tanzania, Botswana, Uganda.... yet haven't dug in too hard to research things, but if anyone else has this seems like an appropriate place to share any findings

Currently reading Robert Kennedy Jr's new book The Real Anthony Fauci, #1 Best Seller on Amazon currently. Book is dynamite. If anyone wants to understand Rona and the vax, read this book.

He is, actually.


Yeah, this is my stance. It's a nice thread to have. For me, a bigger issue than the mandated vaccine from a bodily autonomy perspective is simply a level of freedom. I'd rather spend my time and money in places that aren't authoritarian to their citizenry.

I don't understand how people that don't take the vaccine are labeled as "anti-vaxx". There's a whole set of different reasons this may apply to people. Most healthy people previously may have had all their normal shots (and encouraged others to get them) but intentionally opted out of the flu vaccine each year. But now similar behavior is demonized everywhere. What was very normal, acceptable behavior is now deviant.

There's a level of risk with being anywhere. People do drugs, smoke cigarettes, drive cars, whatever. Each activity carries with it risk to themselves and others. It's part of being in a society. And travel / societies valuing freedom should be encouraged by those that value that aspect.

Well said

How dare you introduce logic & reason into this thread! ;-)

US Citizen here who has been to Mexico many times as they do not have the vaccine restriction.



Does anyone know what other current countries a US Citizen can go to now without getting vaccinated? I heard Costa Rica still allows it for now but that will end very soon? Did read you need to buy travel insurance for covid and lodging in Costa Rica but that doesn't seem to cost a lot if you are there for a short time. Would that mean one must get there soon before they enforce the rules? Did read starting soon, all hotels and many places will require you to have proof of vaccination. So if you arrive there before that date and stay few weeks or up to three months, then you are fine? But of course you can't go to public dining etc but no issue getting food and essentials at supermarket right?



Another place I heard of was Hungary. But main issue is from checking flights, if you flying from the US to Hungary, there is a layover and that country requires vaccination so that doesn't work. Many other European countries where they do not require vaccinations, however require you to quarantine ten days when you arrive before you can go anywhere. Has anyone here done this? This seems the most ridiculous as anyone on a normal vacation.. even if they came for a month would not like this. They have to order room service food the entire time then they there before they could leave their room?

https://blog.wego.com/international-reopening/

This should solve these.

It's becoming extremely difficult to travel about, but in general, in my experiences, one can travel places with a negative test. Granted, in my case, I'm a Dutch and Mexican resident (USA citizen) so it makes entry into and out of Europe quite a bit easier for me.

The hotel quarantines... there's no real enforcement on these in practice. But overall, it makes traveling quite tricky. Because there's the airplanes to worry about, the hotels, the restaurants, the activities. Everything is tracked every which-where you go and the amount of tracking and privacy invasion is going to be highly correlated to the degree of development within the society.

I think you were on the right path with something like Costa Rica. You can get a pretty decent travel in... but it will lack a lot of the covid infrastructure and measures that exist within the EU and elsewhere.

Overall, I wouldn't really recommend Europe to anyone as it is right now. Vaccinated or not. It's just pretty shitty right now, as someone who lives here. Quite depressing actually.

I wouldn't want to go to a country that requires a negative test. Omicron is pretty contagious, even for vaxxed people, and a negative test at the wrong time could **** you over and cost you a lot of money.

I've been in Spain 3 weeks and loving it. In Madrid, noone even really cares, it's pretty packed. Got to Andalucia, and a lot of bars/restaurants have started asking for QR vax code, which I have in Spain/France, so it doesn't bother me at all. But so far an A+ experience. Got to see the museums in Madrid, Alhambra, etc. without ridiculous crowds. Nightlife has been fine, etc.

I'm going to Paris for a month, then Lyon, so hopefully the experience in France isn't too different.

If you're in the more locked down countries like yours, Austria, Germany, etc. then yah it probably sucks. But Spain is great.

Yeah... negative tests depending on the situation have been anywhere from free (rare) to often times $350-500. I've probably had to purchase around 5x tests between that higher end of the range lifetime so far. And it's kind of an unbelievable cost to me that doesn't seem like most people can or would be willing to bear, leading to a passive form of restriction form of movement / options for poor people, which I view as quite ridiculous. Of course, it's never framed that way by the media / publicly.

I'm glad to hear that Spain is doing well. I spent a few weeks in Italy back in August and it was quite strict then and I know it's only gotten stricter since. I would have expected similar behavior from Spain that I saw out of Italy.

Seems like the new direction a lot of the more authoritarian Euro countries are going is requiring 2/3 Gs. Often meaning either vaccine or previous infection in addition to a negative test. Just to be able to do anything. Making tests a cornerstone of movement for anything.

I'll be headed to Paris myself in around 3 weeks. If you have any info to share ahead of time I'd gladly read about it.

Just got to Paris a couple days ago. They didn't even check a single thing in the airport coming from Spain. So far it's been a solid experience. I think there's only been one place to check our covid QR codes. If you hit the main museums then it will probably be obligatory, but no big deal for us.

You mentioning this brought up a really strange memory that I had from earlier in the summer, around May-June. I was in Amsterdam and was taking the train to Zurich by way of transfer in Paris. I boarded the train in Amsterdam, then got off the train in Paris into an absolute mass of people and I was extremely confused. I come to realize that the Paris police had set up a checkpoint off of this train to check vaccination status or negative test results to be able to get off the train and enter Paris. I was ****ing stunned. I did not know either was needed yet the 100s and 100s of people there, every single one, was showing paperwork to the French police.

The line starts dwindling from several 100 people to a much sparser crowd and I'm still figuring out what to do. I kind of forget my thought process at the time. As it gets to the 10s of people I ask a person set or two if they have everything and anyone I ask says that they do. I am literally the only person on the entire ****ing train that didn't get the memo. Stupid American obv.

So I walk up to the police checkpoint as the literal last person from the train, and I speak French, so I'm able to communicate to them pretty efficiently. I say that I don't have any paperwork. The guy screams at me about as loud as anyone can scream in my face. He does this repeatedly, many times. I'm just standing there unsure what to do or say. He's screaming at me but I'm just responding with the equivalent of "Okay, sure, but what do you want me to do about this in order to be productive here." After a minute of this he just screams to me to enter the country and move on.

The micro experience just said apparently that you can enter France in that case if you were vaccinated, have a neg test or want to get screamed at for one minute. Your choice. Lol.

Glad things were easier for you.

covidcontrols.co is another good source. It seems to have some different info too, so it might be good to compare.

Has anyone tried El Salvador? I was planning to move to Mexico City, but the concerns raised by a few guys here and in other threads about the length of stay restrictions make it sound less appealing.

Sounds interesting, I might check it out. Another good book is Dissolving Illusions, which discusses the whole history of vaccination. It was written before covid, but the general playbook seems to be the same: create an expensive vaccine product, stir up fear about the dangers of some disease, use the government and the media for enforcement, profit.

Oddly enough, most infectious diseases were almost completely eradicated thanks to improvements in diet and living conditions before any vaccine was ever widely used.

thanks for the links! el salvador is one of 4-5 options I may go to over summer. id say horrible idea if you just want to go somewhere latin with a beach, and great idea if you want to surf everyday, el salv is littered with rights all down the coast. its a fairly sketchy country, on par with places like tegucigalpa, guate city, managua, guayaquil... if you are going there's likely a specific reason other than grinding poker

So I am in Costa Rica right now. It’s true you don’t have to be vaccinated to enter the country but you need a health insurance for the days u will stay here.

They are very serious however with wearing masks and on top of that if you wanna enter some place they also force u to wash hands or that anti bacteria gel.

Lets make a list here with countries that doesn’t force u to wear masks as well

thanks for sharing libratus, costa seems mildly confusing since they implemented the covid app back in november, but it's still listed as nothing extra needed to get into the country. Essentially costa rica you can hop on a plane and show up as long as you have some approved health insurance?

no more masks in usa now fwiw

vietnam seems to be fully open now with no vax req, and i saw some chatter about cambodia as well opening fully but only if you have vax papers

with the somewhat drastic changes in the USA over the last few weeks it seems like many countries are following in their footsteps and countries will actually open up normally this year. Bali is testing out their visa on arrival system again, although testings and (shorter) quarantines are still mandatory

FWIW I was on a middle America tour during the corner of the year, might not be fully up to date. Aruba asked for vax proof almost everywhere. Colombia vax proof at all airports and hotels, only one bar in Cartagena asked for it. Panama only airports and hotels. Costa Rica airport and hotels in SJ and Jaco. Some venues in SJ, in Jaco nobody cared, only hotel. In CDMX (only one day) only airport and hotel.
In BKK right now, spent most of the last five years in EA/SEA, that's a whole different world and attitude obv, but after immigration and uploading the compulsory 5 day ATK test nobody else asked for anything as of now... Everything still closed at 11pm officially in TH (hust, hust lol, don't be fooled by that)

https://www.traveloffpath.com/countr...-requirements/

nice simple list updated daily of countries with no mask, vax, pcr test, or quarantine. Basically a list of places you can travel to like its 2019

Switzerland dropped pretty much everything. Mid-feb they dropped 95% of restrictions (public transport + hospitals only) and it appears like as of the end of March they dropped everything. To my knowledge, no anything needed anywhere unless you're boarding a plane now. Maybe various hospital rooms?

The surrounding countries are all doing much worse. Either have maintained most restrictions or have dropped them and gone back in a yo-yo pattern.

It's hard to tell what exactly is being planned short and long term here. I'd like to think Switzerland is going to make good choices but there is a lot of fog of war.

We went to Italy a couple of weeks ago. They literally ask to see proof of vaccination in every store that you go to. They have an app for their residents that they scan and it makes it easy. For us Americans that are visiting, you just show your hard copy vaccination card. They have no way of verifying if that card is legit or not.

I'm going to Mexico City in June. I'm glad Mexico doesn't give a damn about checking your vaccination status.

I feel vindicated not taking the vaccine and now finally seeing 50 countries open for business for the unvaccinated. Rest of the world will follow soon enough. Unreal they tried to push that poison on us!

https://www.kayak.co.uk/travel-restr...ting&origin=NL

and

https://www.traveloffpath.com/countr...-requirements/

i don't think i can even leave though, like no airline will let me on the plane at the moment.

Really, which country are you in?