I was right when I said I had a bad feeling about the date this other night, turned out this girl was a semi-pro.. When we layed in bed and it started getting hot, I suddenly hear a whisper to my ear "You pay me".. I knew this simply had to happen sometime.. Now, I have payed for sex before, but If I decide to pay, I wanna know whats up from the beginning, not right before I fill her up and feel like im being tricked into paying since Im too horny to say no.. She wanted 3000, I tried to get her down to 500, but she refused my nitty offer..

Have I been running too hot? Is it actually true, that "all" girls here are hookers or ladyboys, and that I have just been lucky not meeting them before now? I cant believe this, last two dates, one ladyboy and one hooker.. I refuse to believe that all the stories I have heard are true, I will push through for free.

That's nuts, if nothing had been discussed beforehand and no indication given that she was a pro, then I'd tell her to **** off.

Or is this the type of thing where you're kinda screwed b/c you're at risk of her pimp or male friends messing with you if you don't pay up?

Edit: Oops, I read it wrong. Thought she asked you to pay after you'd already done the deed, but looks like she got you turned on then asked before doing it. I'd like to think I'd be able to kick her out, but in the moment, probably not, and I'm sure she knows this.

The ethics are a little murkier in SE Asia based on the Thailand thread. Some girls wait until after the deed to ask the guy. It feels kinda real and they probably like you more than the average gross old guy, but they still need a little money and you're arguably scummy to stiff them.

So how do you have any clue whether the girl you match with on Tinder is a semi-pro or a real girl? Or is better just to always go in with the assumption that you'll probably be asked for a bit of cash?

Arguably scummy eh?

She should have not been sneaky/scummy and just tell the truth/ask for money up front.

You're supposed to use the force and know these things beforehand.

Nothing had been discussed beforehand. This girl didnt seem to be a pro, but semi-pro, she had a job in a callcenter and told me she only had one guy paying for her before.. I did ask why she didnt give me any clues that she was a semi pro, she told me that she did, when she was telling me about this polish guy. Who is this polish guy? A poker player who lived in Cebu for a little while, she was talking alot about him before we met and sending me a pic of them togheter and such(Maybe its one of u bastards). She never told me he was paying her 3000 for a **** every now and then tho, I though they was in a relationship, by how she was talking about him, missing him and this(weird to tell me this, yes). I have no idea how I could figure out that she wanted money, only from this.. I mean, she was better looking than him, but this is Philippines after all.

Well yeah, after she asked for money, I told her to get the f out.

I dont think its possible to know if the girl wants money unless she tells you. This girl seemed to want a boyfriend that she actually could like(Not an old ugly bastard), and who just payed her for sex, so she could make some money on the side, apart from her normal job.

HELL NO to a girl who asks for money that late in the game. You did the right thing. The apologists are dead wrong. It's simply bad business in any industry to operate like that.

It happened to me once and only once in over a year of living in SEA, but that memory still pisses me off. I said it's bad business but it's also downright dangerous for the girl. They run the risk of pissing off the wrong guy.

Generally speaking, in 3W countries, it is not like in developed countries where you have pros and regular girls, it is more like a fluid continuum and you have a lot of semi-pros, quarter-pros and whatnot

That's understood and widely accepted. What's unacceptable is letting the customer know that it's a business transaction that late in the interaction. And I think they know that. They're being deceptive and using guys' horniness against them. It's effective, sure, but it's still gonna cause problems sooner or later.

Bait and switch is a standard Chinese business practice and hookers have found it to work for them as well as this gets them guys that would normally be apprehensive about straight up transactional sex and even those that don't mind getting dicked down by a handsum man with no outright benefit will generally try to extract gifts, commitment, sponsorship etc.

Well, they should be carefull about who they are going home with, I will admit, thoughts like "I should just rape this girl, she deserves it" or "What if I just tell her Ill pay, and refuse to do so afterwards, Im leaving this place tomorrow anyway", ofcourse, I wouldnt actually do this, I was a bit drunk also, but some guys might make these thoughts into action..

But like I said, this chick was only trying to make some money on the side from her actual job, if she matches with a guy on tinder she likes, she would try to make him "The boyfriend who pays for sex", thats what it seemed like with this girl, since it was only me and this polish guy from earlier.

Just read through entire thread. Very entertaining! keep posting your adventures LynxRufus! Pinoy girls are very very very very clingy based on my own experience. But they can also be the sweetest.


Also lmao @ iLiveinAsia, sounds like a really paranoid guy. Why do u still choose to live in Asia if you're that afraid of everything extreme happening to you?

I have been around in Asia for a decade which changes your mindset for better or worse.



I'm in north east asia these days and I doubt I'll ever head back south.

IliveinAsia hates everyone and everything. I still have a few years before I turn into someone like that. I guess

Thank you, I really appreciate to hear that! Not much happining now, went to Bohol and I visit this girl that I went to Bantayan with, will stay here untill monday. We went to the bank yesterday, she is going to this Island soon where they have no ATM, so she needed some cash of course. I thought maybe she would withdraw 20-30k, but she takes out 200 000php! Also she told me she payed for her brothers educatian, but he ****ed up by playing too much on his computer, Im starting to believe this girl have more money than me.

Okey, seems like my trip might take an unexpected turn.. The girl I have talking about earlier, well, we started banging a bit without condom, she had IUD so.. The last time we did it was last sunday, and she had taken out her IUD day before since she was expecting her period to be there shortly. Did her 2 times and I didnt came inside her. Well now, she havent had her period yet and her breasts are swollen. Jeez, I havent met her since last sunday either and have only talked via text. ****.. She texted me this today that her breasts were swollen or something and that she will take the test. I mean what are the odds for this..? It doesnt matter either way I guess.

All this feels a bit surrealistic and shocking ofcourse. She is saying that if she is pregnant she dont expect anything from me.. Im not sure how I will handle this if she actually is. Luckily she is wealthy and her family didnt seem to be the typical poor family.

And yes, I am aware she might be lying about all this, but I cant understand why she would do it. If this was one of the other girls I have been with, I would be skeptical. Im not really religious, but Im praying every day shes not pregnant..

dont think unexpected is the right word when your rawdogging girls but yea my biggest pet peeve is when girls say they 'think' they are pregnant. you either are or arent. tell her to get the cheapo pharmacy test. if thats positive get the real test at doctor, if thats positive look into pre-natal dna testing in your area (can be expensive but worth it) . highly unlikely she would take the abortion pill because filipina and i dont think they even sell them in the phils.

if it turns out shes pregnant and its yours highly likely she trapped you ive never heard of a girl taking out their iud because their period is inc, but im not iud expert.

also girls boobs get swollen/painful right before period too so she could just be testing your response. i usually start ignoring them when they do that because it shows a huge lack of respect

Im not rawdogging girlS, only this one. She never said she thinks she is pregnant.. Only that she had these "symptoms". By the way she is texting she seems scared, but keeps telling me she will get her period soon and now she dont wanna take a test. There is no way this girl would trap me into having a baby with her, if so, she would make me cum inside her when she was in her fertile days and not after. If it was one of the other girls, yeah I would believe I was trapped, but not this one. She could have trapped a way better guy than me, for sure.

She had only been with one other guy before me, many years ago and I believe her, I dont care how much you guys are saying that philippina girls are cheating, lying scumbags, but I had this confirmed by her friends and their stories add up. I really dont believe she is doing ****friends or ons, I could write pages about why I dont believe this, it was just so many signs that told me she wasnt the girl to screw around

About the IUD, im no expert either, but I read the best would be to take it out during the period, she did it 1 day before she was expecting to have it and she had it for many years.

I asked about the the swollen boobs, her response "Its natural it get bigger actually if period is coming. Its just more heavy that its new to me."

Lets say she did have the IUD all the time, took it out 1 day before her period started, I did her twice between this and never came inside her, how likely is it to be pregnant?

ahh yes shes walking around with an iud in for sport

wouldnt worry even 0% there is no point to worry she is either pregnant or isnt. nothing to be done about it now

It was her mother that forced her to use it, and since her mothers sister is an gynecologist, it wasnt that hard to make sure she follows up on using this. Im 100% sure that she isnt lying about how many shes been with, it would be a sick story if she and her friends made me believe all this.

Im really starting to wonder where you are finding these SEA girls, since it seems that you believe all of them are sluts who ****s foreigners every chance they get.

looks like you found yourself a keeper, let us know the date you are getting married.

my advice was not SEA specific. applies to women from any country on this planet. if youve been in sexual relationships before the whole 'something might be wrong' you would have already heard a million times and be numb to by now which is why i figured when you say you are praying she is not pregnant makes me think your fairly new to this. and i was trying to re-assure there is no point to worry or pray.

if you found out your girl banged 5 guys off tinder before meeting you would you think less of her? if the answer is yes you should re-evaulate your expectations/ outlook and will be much more enjoyable time spent here in the long run. otherwise you will just end up being let down or living in denial.

fwiw i actually prefer 'sluts' over say a virgin but everyones definition of slut is different a girl who bangs 3-5 guys a year is a slut, or who has done 3-5 in her lifetime? different strokes

The girl that sent me a positive pregnancy test she found on Google Images seemed super nice and not crazy in person and I'd never expect her to lie about something so ****ed up. Having a good feeling about her doesn't mean much, some are better liars than others. Lol at having an IUD and haven't had sex since many years ago. You met her on tinder? Even if her friends are telling the truth, she could be going to a new foreigner's condo every week without her friends knowing

This is my first time in this situation, yes, and I have been with plenty of girls before. I wouldnt think less of her if she had been with 5 guys from Tinder, its not that rare. I believe all of the other girls I have met here have been with a decent amount of foreigners before. This girl doesnt live in the city, she is not from a city, so there are no condos around, I cant convince anyone here that she is not "sleeping around", but from all this time with her and what I have experienced with her , I believe what she told me about how many guys shes been with. If it was one of the girls that come straight to ur condo for some ****ing, no I wouldnt believe her if she told the same ofcourse.

Im not a guy who believes everything a girl is saying, far from, if I uploaded the chat, I think you would believe me that this girl is not lying about having her period delayed, she has told me now plenty of times, that she is not pregnant, her period will come soon and she would never "chase" me if she turns out to be pregnant, its not like she sent me a pic of her pregnacy test and "HEY PHIL, IM PREGNANT D". I asked her if she wanted anything to do with me if she is pregnant, and her answer was "No, so dont worry".

About the UID, my oldest sister got a kid at very young age, the result was that the next girl in our family, had to use this UID from also young age, she had it for many years also. Im not surprised that some parents in PH would do this to their daughters, no matter how often they have sex, would you disagree that this is a bad idea?

And yes, I met her on Tinder

Oh well, most likely she is not pregnant, so I will stop worrying. I have a pink eye now and have been looking like shiat, so I havent been meeting any pinays the last few days, instead just been playing poker.