there were hearts on the flop (2)

i will definitely 3bet it pre some of the time, not all of the time, not a huge fan of bloating pots when i expect to get called when i have hands that arent going to like that many flops

Easist 3b pre and I think c/c is the worst line otf apart from c/f obv.

Ah yes.... the nit conundrum. Too tight to get value, so you have to tighten up.

I've tried 3betting in such spots as well as flatting, and I can see a stark difference (50 bb/100 overall, not just in TT spots themselves) in favour of 3betting even over two samples of 600 hands at a mix of 6-max and FR tables I mean, the difference can't be explained by variance - there's surely some benefit in 3betting 6%.

P.S. Congrats to me on making my 100th post itt

You should 3b like...as low as k8s. even lower depending on fish/stack depth. Not 3betting TT is burning money

If Hero (SB) is deep vs the BB aggro reg, I wouldn't recommend 3b'ing K8s because there would be a high chance of getting flatted or even squeezed by the reg. But for that same reason, 3b'ing a (situationally) fat value hand like TT makes sense.

been playing quite a bit of PLO over the past 10ish days since the jackpot hit, been going pretty well, at first i was only playing 6max and would have quit but luckily full ring runs most days at .25-.50 or .10-.25..... only saw .50-1 run one day, some things ive noticed:


i am far better at PLO now than I used to be when I played underrolled years ago

i am far better at PLO than holdem, something I always thought even though results may say otherwise... i just understand the game more, know when to make moves..... it is so much easier to put people on hands in PLO

its also much easier (for me) to put people on hands online, live i just dont get the same sense that i do online

people almost never slowplay..... if they check you have a great chance of taking a pot down


its funny how as far as live/online and holdem/plo go it is complete opposite...... if you go to a casino (at least in vegas) and site at a live PLO game it is going to be 7 or 8 regs and 1 or 2 fish, the game is built around the few fish and when they bust the game will slowly die

that is how live holdem games are.... a fish sits down and 8 regs hurry to get the best seat to the left of them they can


on the other hand live holdem (in vegas at least) would be an even mix of tourists that may or may not know what they are doing and locals that may or may not know what they are doing

and online PLO is pretty much all fish, if someone flops top two they are in....... if they have a 3rd nut flush draw and gutshot they are calling down

I thought the 'industry standard' for a PLO50 lineup at a site with any decent rakeback (pre-2016 Stars, iPoker, Microgaming) is 4 regs vs 2 fishes. At 888, it might be 3 regs vs 3 fishes, though I've never railed the PLO lobby there. But the rake in PLO is really bad (15 bb/100 at PLO50, 10 bb/100 at PLO100) without decent rakeback. And don't forget that 888 is one of the primary destinations for the exodus of Stars regs.

If I were to grind PLO now, I'd prefer the NYX network (Ongame + some Hive skins + non-US Revolution skins that are yet to finish the merger). There were surprisingly many PLO tables running on Ongame because its flagship skins (the Betsson group) have a big presence in Nordic countries. The Hive has been quite PLO-heavy too.

If you go this route, feel free to post in the SSPLO forums and encounter Mt.FishNoob there; as said above, he's never used a HUD either and, in general, you two have a lot in common

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thanks for the warning rowdy


PLO is so much better full ring than it is 6max......... imo the whole value of the game is getting 5 or 6 loose players limping or calling raises every hand then a few of them only proceed with the nuts and a couple others are actual spewers

'isoing the fish' to play 'heads up pots' in PLO... not even once

You are probably the only person in the history of the world to prefer full ring plo to 6max lol

i definitely assume the answer is yes..... but i will be paying more rake/earning more fpps playing laggy active PLO even at .10-.25 than I will by nitting up .50-1 holdem right?

Even if you nit up at PLO25 (in a profitable fashion, of course), you'll still be paying more rake than at NL50

But where outside of Stars and Tigergaming* can you find enough FR PLO these days? I didn't consider it in my previous post exactly because you have to play SH if you want to grind hardcore.

* Mind that the peak hours on the Chico network are Canadian evenings, most of its running Omaha tables are 10-max, and some of them are NL, not PL. A drawback is that the PLO100+ traffic there is much lower than the PLO25-50 one. It's much softer than Stars, though.

had to run an errand today and skip early session

big headache comes on so go home early, havent played 2-4 in a month but super sick game with 2 uber fish and another semi fish

uber fish A opens to 12 from ep and im next to act with AA..... i am about to 3bet but then i remember that this guy gets 3bet constantly so i just call...... uber fish B is to my left and raises to 54...... random raises to 111...... well played me

uber fish A shoves for 1k, i have 500 and call.......... uber fish B has the 1k covered and calls with 6's

oh gee 6 on the flop there goes my +1200 pot that would have got me to recovering like 80% of the recent downswing

few minutes later in .50-1 uber fish cold calls my 3bet with KJo flop Q52 i check back AK turn A he bets big i call riv 10

i hate this ****ing game

**** i havent really noticed any more people on 888 after stars did what they did, if anything 888 seems more dead right now


roughly how many tables of this full ring 25 and 50 omaha are running? during peak hours?

do you know what their RB is? is it legit?


i checked on stars during peak time last night they had ONE 25 PLO and no 50 PLO's running

Stars' thing doesn't go into effect until Jan 1 so at a guess people are trying to hit VIP targets before their FPPs get devalued

You realize it'll be awful for 888 if it gets more traffic due to stars butchering their site right?

Well, maybe most rakeback grinders are myopic and choose rooms that offer rewards that they like (but have relatively tough games). But from the overall profit viewpoint, 888 will be better than Stars for at least Jan-Feb 2016 just due to softer games (it will take a while for regs to evaluate the new reality, migrate and start doing their maximum volume).

Look it up via Pokerscout's GameFinder when you get up, I might be asleep then... I think 3-5 tables of each.

The Chico network used to have issues under the previous owner, but after Julian Holdings International took over, they guarantee processing a withdrawal within 24 hours of the request, and I haven't read complaints on Julian's processing yet. I have no direct experience with it because I've never won enough money there to consider withdrawing (played there back when I was a huge fish) and now my balance is zero

The RB is amazing, go through either VIP-Grinders or Rakerace; I have an experience with both and see little difference between the overall values offered, but lean towards VG if you're going to grind for them for the full year and towards RR if you're not sure if you're in for the long term. The VIP program (Team Tiger) is a bit tricky, but as far as I understand, it's easy to qualify for the top tier and it offers monthly reload bonuses up to $2500 giving 55% cashback (or maybe 50%, idr - the ISP is blocking the site for me now).

I have to warn you that the poker client is bad (e.g. there's no autorebuy), and the games are really slow - only 30-40 hands an hour are played at a FR PLO table.

Please note that one is allowed to have only one active account on Chico, so if you have a Betonline account, please ask to close it first (upon withdrawing all the money from there if you had it on).

The only HUD that works there is FPDB, afaik. It's actually not that terrible for a free HUD. And it's compatible with the freemium web tracker Pokeit.

Look for posts by Tigergaming Rep for more info.

Ofc you meant FR because 6-max is obv very populated there

today has been ****ing hell

brutal headache (whats new)

within 20 minutes of my session i had a 72% chance of being up $1250....... or the idiot could have folded sixes for 200+ bb's all in pre and id have had 93% of being up $750

instead i lose $850 in 4 hours, got raped in every ****ing game, lost every omaha race, had top set vs middle set in PLO on A86cc 3 board i check riv 8 letting bluff shove..... but it was quads

made one 'bad' play where i 5bet jammed AK vs aggro reg who plays back at me way to much..... obv again has AA, i shouldnt have done it but he does push me off way to many hands

i just had a +1k 4 day stretch to regain confidence......... bye bye money bye bye confidence bye bye happiness



oh ya almost forgot had my worst 'forget to untick post jp' tickbox in 2 years, probably played 40 hands with it ticked, bye bye $20

and decided to take a long cool down walk at -550, hardest rain ive seen in a month or two comes down right as im about to turn back, walk back completely soaked, then sit back in and snap lose 300 more in under an hour

Have you ever thought that you've spoilt your karma by crushing the romantic hopes of your former girls?

i ran far worse in vegas and no girls had any romantic hopes for me there

How can you tell that for sure?

ok so just spitballing here

if i play 6 tables of nitty holdem at 15% rakeback and make $400ish a month........

if i played 6-10 tables of laggy PLO playing at least 3x as many hands and had 3.7x the rakeback....... thats like $4k rakeback a month

now subtract 40% for the slower software (jackpot tables get 60ish hands an hour) and subtract some if they only rake $3 instead of $4 like 888......

but still we are probably talking $1500+ a month in rakeback right?

That sounds correct, but I can't guarantee that you won't be losing pre-rakeback if you don't study at all.

are those plo games beatable pre rb?