The only thing we've learned is that purrretrog runs above EV or at EV and k2d might be lying about results

Ive ran -$10k AIEV lifetime fwiw, but probably have ran above in terms of overall/situational EV if I where to hazard a guess.

Everyone makes fun of ev untill they run 150-200bi under ev in 3-6months

obv looking at evbb > bb to see ~true winrate. ******ed to think otherwise but yeh, purre post

aiev is an awful way of judging ev, but still the best means available. Ouan his example makes perfect sense.

Here's another: I had a session the other day where I got all in bvb or button vs blind 3 times with kings and they had aces each time. I sucked out on one of those, ran way above ev amirite?

well i can remember phone numbers i havent dialed since the 90s, so remembering times where i got unlucky and lost money isnt hard, hell i can remember hands from 2005 and tell you all the action if you really wanna hear them, i am ******ed in some ways, memory isnt one of them

i get tilted because i hate to lose at anything, its worse when i lose money, and its worse when im basically telling people i have them crushed and they are to stupid to know and then they take my money


for those that are to dense to figure out what i am talking about: if you are short stacking plo and you limp repot and get it all in as your main strategy then all in ev means everything, you are just sitting there flipping coins the whole time with no other real play going on

when i play holdem i turn it into a preflop game, my late street decisions are already made for me after the person has made there bad calls preflop/flop, im not sitting there running QQ vs AK flips all day, im basically never running those, and never running any flips at all really, i am getting people to make bad calls on early streets and then betting for value on all later streets and for the most part never folding except for a few rare instances (QJ109Q board with AA, fun times)


so anyways what i am saying is, when you are just getting all in and running races all in ev tells you a lot, when you bloat pots and get it in after the real decisions have been made in the hand then it means very little at all

note: i havent said anything about running good or running bad on 888, there are some places where i am sure i ran bad (venetian plo limp repotting) but with the volume i put in on 888 (when i am really playing) i probably run to expectation...... its just i have huge rushes and long droughts based on how i run at that particular time, but long term its probably about even

did you find your hand histories yet?

do a file search like this *888*.txt

i want to see just how far above ev you are running.

me: i basically never run races and dont flip at all so ev wont say much

dense troll still: i know he must be running above ev on all of his races that is the only reason he can beat the game that i cant beat



i search that and it says: no items match your search

as mentioned, on one of the updates 888 did 888 things and became ******ed and there is no file or folder for anything 888related on my comp anymore, i am waiting for 888support to get back to me

Every single poker player that isnt living the broke life is cringing. Reminds me of my idiotic self during my first 2 years as a pro(running above ev).

thats why pretty much everyone in here (other than trolol) is telling you that you are wrong

hint: when the only person on your side is trolol you need to look in the mirror

Poker is about math and having the most money in your account, so forgive me but i'll keep believing in math and my monthly income that is close to your liferoll.
Please keep going though, this is exactly why i subbed to this thread. A broke guy with an elementary school math background denying the existance of EV because he "doesnt flip".

im sorry that you are to dense to think to a 2nd level and cant understand the super easy thing i am saying here

im not denying the existence of ev, ive already said when i am shortstacking PLO and flipping all the time EV is all that matters, you just are to dense to listen when i explain why.......

but ill just stop now, ive seen your type before, no matter how clear you make it for them they know everything and nothing will ever change that

Let me tell you about the type of people who dont believe in EV because "they dont flip".

They start by making fun of people who whine about ev, then they start showing graphs of how under ev they are now that they cant win and then they either become english teachers, drug dealers, bloggers or they start selling curries and friend rices on the skype/facebook groups.

There's hundreds of them all over SEA and those of us who make money and believe that running under ev is a major affliction no matter what you play, which is simply a sign of sanity, have loads of fun laughing our asses out at the broke busto's insane life/mental failure stories.

just fyi, i was exactly like you before. I had the same ******ed arguments during my youth, so i know you're coming from pure ******ationcity. The sad part is that you are too deep into your failed poker career to still think this way.

dunno man, K2d is a successful author of multiple ebooks that provide guidance to the whole SEA expat community, a guru of sorts.

Im certain that the "i love ladyboys call my number "inserted other poker player's number"" i wrote in the toilet of the ladyboy bar @ nana gets better views than all his "ebooks" put together. Therefore im a best selling author.

why were you in the toilet of a ladyboy bar?

haha yea, total fail at trying to take another jab at k2d

though i find the jabs at k2d funny

k2d must as well, as he laughs all the way to the bank

all the way to the bank to request that 15$ withdrawal for his weekly expenses

I am of the camp of whatever floats your boat so don't agree with ouan's comments but I do agree that your views on EV are ******ed. It is a statistical number, it shows exactly what it's designed to: how much you deviated from your actual all-in expected value when it went all-in. How you interpret that is left to human idiocy, so obviously some guys put too much stock into it over small samples but saying it doesn't mean anything is just absurd.

He knows ev is a thing, and that ev graph although flawed is better than nothing, he's just saying with his tight passive nit style it's slightly less important than for someone more LaG, or for SS / PLO

Seems fine to me

+1 at the jabs being funny, enjoy seeing how he gets under peoples skin

$3 ebook doesnt seem scammy, thats the minimum kindle store allows actually. he always puts the first 1000 words on the blog free so ppl can get an idea.

A title like 'Lazy sexpat's guide to poker: make a liveable amount for south east asia' isnt a scam

And its sold on a blog thats 95% free to read. An ebook is effectively a 'donate' button, if someone likes his content they support it. But donate buttons are lame, and with an ebook they get something in return

so true

Except at no point did he say he doesn't believe in EV... if ouanling is a non native English speaker maybe he misread something somewhere

ev graphs are not flawed. are you saying that over 100k hands an ev graph doesn't give an accurate representation of someone's 'luck'?

ofc not, someone running 200bi under ev on 300k hands is just a ****ty that gets it in too light! The guy that can't beat online poker said so.
How dare you question this magnificent banger of 3-6/10 Filipinos. His life is a dream and his 3 digit poker bankroll gives him the right to not be questioned about ev.

WTF is this dude so butthurt about? lol