You don't put it as bluntly as that, I just used to say "you're not a ladyboy are you?" in a jokey tone.

That type of knowledge has no place in this thread

cant you guys tell by their voice? also compare a male arm with a female... a male arm when stretch is straight from bicep to forearm(no bend on elbow)... on the other hand a female would have that bend at the elbow...

The easiest way to tell if they are a ladyboy or not is by their penis. If they have one, ladyboy.

should of #yolo'd that bitch

I get the feeling they are trying to discern if the chick is a ladyboy or girl, before it gets to that point

Technically this is incorrect.

If they have a penis they are transvestites. If they have had an operation to remove the penis they are transsexual.

i.e a ladyboy.

Transsexual and Ladyboy are not exact synonyms, and you don't need to have had gender reassignment surgery to be a transsexual. A transvestite refers specifically to a man who likes to dress up as a woman, not a man who wants to become woman. So, no.

Most Thai ladyboys still have their junk, and it's not because they can't afford the op. It's mostly because they have no interest in losing it (but also to a certain extent because chicks with dicks make more money in the sex industry). Most don't go any further than HRT. But the fact that they've had HRT at all means they are transsexuals, not transvestites.

That's why "Ladyboy" and "transsexual" are not exactly the same thing, since most transsexuals in other countries do eventually go through sex reassignment surgery.

More Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladyboy

i like pooter more than spiv so im gonna declare him the winner of this argument


and like ITT said, i wanna know before that moment when the panties drop, not after


the internet here is getting shoddier and shoddier, lots of quick disconnects, think im just gonna have to grind on the metfone i bought as even though its not as fast its seems more reliable

but that sucks because it means no web surfing while playing, and pre-black friday while i played i always multitasked as much as possible with mass tables, internet reading, and tv watching while st0n3d out of my mind

tv already out of the equation, cant multitable as much on the laptop (and im not fully capable of 16 tabling yet anyways) not eating bananas every day and now if i have to take away web surfing this is gonna get pretty boring

still better than live cash thats for sure, but not quite as good as it could be


so theres this one girl i see down at the beach almost every night, got some tig ole bitties, she pretty clearly doesnt want anything to do with me cuz she is one of the few girls at these places that doesnt make eye contact, still have decided its time to go in for the kill tonight

going to be the first time a girl says no to me in a long time, well 1 did in PI but she was on mens she said

k2d...

the best advice I got many years ago is to look at the feet.

They have not found a way to operate feet smaller and in general boys have larger feet than girls.

So if you are in doubt and the feet look quite big as well... give it a miss...

And for someone who has not been to SEA, it can sound pretty strange, but it can be quite hard to see the difference between a girl and ladyboy. They are very very good at looking female...many has had a dozen face operations as well...

Feet won't tell you much. Not every man has bigger feet than every woman. In the absence of any visual clues the best way to tell is the voice. Ladyboys who try to sound feminine typically have soft, adenoidal voices because they are effectively speaking in falsetto.

There are some ladyboys though who you just will never be able to tell with anyway, since they started taking hormones before they hit puberty and as a result never developed any male sex traits to begin with.

pokerspiv is the worlds foremost expert on ladyboys we can see

poots has like 13 years in thailand, says something about them, pokerspiv instantly says no you are wrong

wabby lives here, knows the culture, hasnt been wrong on any tip yet, pokerspiv instantly says no youre wrong

seems like he would be a real fun dude to hang with

A dictionary could have told you Pooter was wrong. I'm not saying Wabby's wrong, ladyboys do generally have big feet. But so do some women. Tyra Banks wears a size 12 for example. If you want to reject every woman over 5'5" because you are terrified that you might catch teh gay, be my guest.

Temujen is 100% correct with the arm thing, it's an anatomical fact that women's arms bend further, but you aren't realistically going to be able to go around bending people's arms to determine their gender. An easier way to tell is that most people who were born male have longer ring fingers than index fingers. In females, the opposite is true. This isn't 100% accurate, but it's a lot more accurate than looking at the size of their feet.

I'm here to give accurate advice to people who might want it. You've refused all advice given to you by anyone and are only here to seek attention, so not surprised you spend most of your time telling everyone else to shut up.

I don't really "hang" with ******ed kids much anyway, or anyone who would use the term "hang" unironically, so I'm not too cut up about you not wanting to be my friend.

Why do they make more money?

Because the guys who like Ladyboys like them because of the junk. They don't have much interest in post-op Ladyboys. A post-op ladyboy is just a girl with a vagina that doesn't work properly.

pokerspiv please show me of another instance where i have told anyone but you, or one of the other haters to shut up? i have like 500 posts over the past few months so if thats all i do it should be very easy to find some examples

you need to work on how you give advice, or how to act in general, but actually its obvious you dont care and are fine with always coming off as a prick

Those may be the correct definitions spiv, but imo and how i judge people, still got a **** and wear a dress, tranny, cut of **** ladyboy, that's just how i think of it tho.

I've spent a decent amount of time in Thailand, and as far as I can tell its pretty easy to know which ones are the lady boys. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the people who get "tricked" into taking home a lady boy either are secretly gay, or are too drunk atm to know the difference.

Logically it doesn't make sense for lady boys to pretend to be natural women since many of the foreigners here are actively seaking out lady boys.

If you're ever not sure you can just ask. Most of them are honest about it, I've never encountered one that lied about it to my knowledge.

Well you can judge people how you want, but you said my post was "technically incorrect", because a ladyboy with a penis is a transvestite. That is not true. If you had just said "that's what I call them" then that's fine. But you didn't.

lol at you trying to give me life advice. I doubt you'll even make it until the end of the year. If you're still alive and in SE Asia in January then I will personally donate 1000 baht to the Samui dog rescue shelter.

Well spiv i didn't know you were so well versed on them

At the end of the days guys if ya gonna do a LB the very least you can do is give it reach around while ya at it, its only fair.

I was watching some youtube vids on Cambodia yesterday and came across a guy(american) who makes vids geared towards the retirement community but he has some very informative vids on both Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville that he just made in the past few weeks. They are both like 2 hours each and he talk throughout both walking around and showing stuff like supermarkets, talking to khmers, and giving lots of good advice on the areas/what expats need to know.

Phnom Penh looks like it would be a great place to set up shop. Lots of western food, friendly women/locals, tons of housing options for cheap($200/month), decent infrastructure. Sihanoukville on the other hand looked very dirty and disgusting. His major complaint was shoddy internet/power all over Snooky, businesses that never shut off their music, and expensive food. He was showing the side of Occethual(sp) beach where the locals go and it was just garbage EVERYWHERE. He seemed to like that area much more than the Serendipity beach area. He constantly complained about being harassed to buy **** and the music. He was staying at some cool Bungalows called the Aquarium for $10 a night and was constantly awoken to techno music coming from some bar out on a pier everyday at 8AM. Only thing he seemed to like in Snooky was the $3 bbq and Otres beach.

His youtube channel is retirecheapjc and his vids are def worth the watch if you are considering a move. Watching them def shifted my focus from Snooky to Phnom Pehn.

Yeah, sure, but that doesn't mean the ones that are, consider themselves gay, or at least not full on gay. If they did, they would just go for boys (plenty of gay Thai guys around as well, as I'm sure you've noticed.)

I'd say the guys looking for ladyboys, are looking for something in between the two genders. If they wanted one or the other, they'd just go for that. So the ladyboys do need to pretend to be a natural women, because those foreign guys want a CHICK with a dick, not just another guy with a dick.

Do they really want a chick with a dick or just a guy that dresses and looks sort of like a woman?

Hard to say really, and there might be both types of gay-ish people.

Considering that I usually see the more feminine looking ones, and often the ones that have gotten breast implants, bagging foreign guys more often then the ones that are just wearing a dress and some lipstick, I'm going to go with the later. Yeah, I really do think a lot of them want both tits and a c ock.

But like you said also, there are probably both types.

watched sihanouk video 1 and 2, started part 3 but wow they are so boring im not gonna make it, interested to see phnom penh but not sure i will

if you dont wanna hear loud music dont stay near a bar that plays music all the time maybe? im right on that road and can see that pier if i go out my hotel, ive never heard music from the pier though its from a bar to the left (where im about to go) called dolphin shack and also from another called JJ's, it goes till 4am, ive never heard music at 8am and if i did i wouldnt stay here, and there is a whole section of the city not on the beach that has places to live also

i go to bed at 4 am, so the music isnt that big of a deal, its a tad annoying because i can tell what songs are playing and its the same ones on rotation, if you like the chronic 2001 cd you will love it out here, or that one jayz/kanye song with the whats drugs my deala line, or that we fell in love in a hopeless place crap, or one other that i dont know the name

if you consider $3 expensive food then im not sure where u need to go live, and across the street from my place i regularly get meals for 2.25 that are pretty good, and even splurge on the $5.50 place next door because the food is good, and pizza for 1.50 right up the street

im as cheap as anybody and dont mind paying that, granted its a bit expensive compared to how much everything else costs around here which doesnt make a whole lot of sense, but come on $3 for a meal.....

theres garbage on the ground in a 3rd world country, shocker

overall i think its cleaner here than PI, but the locals peeing in the sand on the beach is a bit gross

ya there are people trying to sell you stuff, again its a 3rd world country, just say no thanks and keep walking


i found it funny that he went into that one place that was SIX HUNDRED a month and then said it was good value if you were gonna stay long term, right before he talks about the $100 a month places.... the six hundred place was kind of nice, but one place i saw for $150 a month was nicer, but wabby lives in a really nice big house that is 3 stories and has tons of room and it costs him $500 a month, $600 for that place was awful value



where are you from sofocused? do you have experience in 3rd world countries? cuz if you dont sihanoukville would be a much easier place to transition to especially if you are staying by the beach

PP is intimidating as can be, i went there after a week in PI and thought i could handle anything and ended up going back to my hotel room and staying in after a short walk, things here in sihanouk are far more laid back and easy going

o ya and as far as internet goes im not sure why he had so many problems, as ive said many times im very impressed with the internet here, only 1 kinda bad connection but could still get around the web, and with the metfone as backup grinding isnt really an issue