you can walk it. nothing it stopping you. it just sucks having to look 5 times when crossing an intersection, having to be constantly aware of motorbikes, tuk tuks and cars.

i'll walk 10 minutes somewhere at night when there's relatively little traffic, but there's too many annoyances to bother walking anywhere east of monivong during the day.

When I was staying there I usually took a walk for at least an hour around the area east and either south or north of the river every day and found it really pleasant with virtually no traffic on any of the roads except the main one that runs through the middle if the city (Monviong?).

Maybe I was too high to notice the millions of people around me but I found the whole city to be really quiet and relaxing.

I go there fairly often when I'm in PP, yeah.

cool Sam, I'm more of chill toker and avoid places like that, but I always have a blast when I go to Pontoon.

Landlord, Ill PM you later today about that site. Not sure if peps here want to see a wall of text about a website for sale, and I have a lot of info as Ive been cracking out researching this since yesterday n lots thoughts on it, if someone does tell me and Ill post the cliffs...

i am not saying you cant. all i am saying is if the options are paying 3$ for a tuk tuk or walking in the blazing heat for 40 minutes constantly having to be on the lookout for mad drivers i take the tuk tuk.

i love when someone like trolol who maybe hasnt even been there is giving his opinion like its fact


i found phonm penh to be extremely walkable, and it was very easy to find where you were going by looking at google maps before you left, much easier to navigate that city than many others in asia


and either they didnt want my hundred because i looked untrustworthy or more likely they arent rich so dont have hundreds of dollars of change lying around and dont want to wipe out all their small funds to give the next customer change

tried this and it still didnt work

I'm actually interested in what you think its worth and what it could be worth.

I'm noticing that the prices mentioned here for hotels and those listed on sites like Kayak aren't the same, the latter being higher. I'm not too surprised by this as I'm assuming that the listed ones are the "official" prices whereas those mentioned here are the result of on-site negotiation.

I'm coming in the middle of September and was wondering if I would be able to just come straight from the airport without a reservation and get a room fairly easily? Or would it be smart to get a room ahead of time from a site like Kayak, at least for the first couple of nights while I get settled in and sort everything out.

Kayak lists Nagaworld at $70/night for the time that I'm coming in and the current plan is to book the room and stay there the first 2-3 nights. In that time I can sort of get used to the area, check out other hotels and then move on to a place like Hotel Nine and try to get a $15 room like some have suggested.

Ok Yellow, Ill put later tonight...there is actually speculation that the businessman who bought the site is a Cambodian I know who also plays poker.

i have spent more time in phnom penh and been more times than you.

you're the sihanoukville "expert", even though your sihanoukville experience consisted of grinding in your busto room and walking to the beach at 1am to lurk in the shadows at dolphin looking for a $15 prostitute.

when you say phnom penh is walkable by what standard? new york, paris, singapore? even bangkok is walkable if you don't mind the brutal heat and avoid the tourist areas.

phnom penh not so much.

Landlord/Yellow/anyone else interested...sorry for the wall of text.

I know I said above I would do cliffs, but its too complicated a subject and needs explanation. Please don't troll my assessment as Internet marketing can be viewed totally differently by people and the truth is there is not one way to tell a correct value. I'm in the middle of a massive product launch and don't want negativity or to argue like before as things are going great at this point.

I put the value of Khmer 440 at around 8,000 - 12,000 for someone who has little Internet marketing experience and wanted to treat like a hobby.

I estimate the site is getting between 1500 - 2000 hits a day and makes around 400 - 500 a month, but I have no idea if they pay a tech person. There is evidence there was false traffic reporting due to an incorrect script, but was by mistake and has been fixed.

Its clear its an Alexa sub 100K site and that brings it legit commercial value. It has an Google ranking of 4 which is decent and brings value.

The value for an experienced marketer with tech experience would bring the site way more up, maybe over 20K. If they owned other business on the net and in the real world the value could go over 50K easy as that is when things get serious.

So the value depends on the buyer, but obviously the seller may not use this viewpoint and the buyer will not use this thought with his offers as he would be screwing himself. So the deal would be a game, depending on parties knowledge of many things.

I do know that the owner was not using proper SEO, social media marketing and offering a clean page. There can be tons of improvements made to make the site way better and appealing.

The other site Landlord linked is doing very well for only being live for three months and they have interesting advertising already. I don't think having another site is a big deal (I think because 440 has a blog it puts it way more on top), it may even help bounce traffic as true information junkies will go to several sites.

The fact Cambodia is booming and is going to get even better when the CPP is evicted in about 4 years is a big plus side.

I have experience with Internet marketing and site advertising and would die to have this site as I have massive interests in Cambo, but Im focusing on Colombia right now and it would be a bad time for me.

I can for sure say the Cambodian tourism market has more advertising potential and revenue for a website than Colombia (and Colombia has a massive one). The Cambodian industry is twice the size and has tons more expats in the country and businesses that function with English speaking employees (even though bad English, its a billion time better than in Colombia).

The guy who may have bought the site is a very smooth businessman who has partners who are very talented designers so there could be change coming with time. He has many physical businesses and the value of the site to him could fit in the 50K + category I wrote above. Its a rumor he bought it. I hope he did because Ive had a few encounters with him and I could see doing positive business with him in the future. Hes a decent poker player too...will soon see if its him.

i read on warriorforum sites are worth 6 - 15 times their monthly income, depending on interest. so 2400 - 7500? i'd offer the guy as little as possible

I would too, the higher prices I put were implied worth to the person who bought.

But to get a site like Khmer for 2400 would be an incredible feat.

If I bought it I'd pay the 8 - 10 range and be happy as I know the value for me would be much more.

But who knows the income, could be 0, maybe the tech cost eat up alot and he is giving ads away, u never know unless u see some solid proof.

no way would you get khmer440 for $12k

I know it would it be getting the hottest hooker in PP for $15...

How much you think its worth Lol?

don't know. i have never thought about buying a website.

someone said they value it at $8-12k based on revenue, but you yourself said the value of the site to you is much greater than that amount. and surely you aren't the only person who would value khmer440 at an amount far greater than the revenue it brings in from ads, which bids up the price further.

yeah for sure if there was multiple interests the price went up. Also the motivations for selling...

Also maybe it was making more than 400 - 500, very hard to tell...but there is multiple info that the owner claimed that the revenue was just enough to cover his Khmer girls university bill and unless she went to the Harvard of PP Im not sure if its very high..

well offer $12k and see if he sells. i doubt it.

I can't pull the trigger if he said yes at this time and I don't do biz like that to try to extract info.

If the guy I know buys it, maybe I can get the info down the road when Im back in Cambo.

i think you know it's worth more than 12k

If you think it makes around 5500-6k a year now its a steal for 12k. Theres TONS of room for growth for it.

Yes Lol, I do, in fact a site in Colombia with the same traffic and other numbers just got an angel investment over 100K and I think their income was less the 440, the internet is weird place for biz logic at times.

Two reason I think it could be low like that is because the brand name is a little wounded, but if someone rolls up there sleeve, cleans-up, it would be quite nice and because its Cambodia and everything is so darn cheap.

Also agree Yelllow, its one thing that is cool about Cambodia, there is TONS of room for growth for basically anything right about now.

Jspill brought up a good point about the metric of value, the whole topic of worth of buying is interesting and Im going to pay more attention to it and study it a little bit. Ive always built fresh with a new ten buck domain name so never have bought another's work.

browse https://flippa.com/, domain flipping auction site. you'll get an idea of how much sites are worth based on PR, uniques/mo, etc.

yeah I was looking at flippa to try to find a comparable site, but couldn't. Was interesting looking at the values and peoples comments on sites of value.

Thanks for pointing me towards warrior, Ive seen that site before but never checked out much, is a huge site.