so let me get in before him.........
this is how it went, any time i asked DJLE anything about the stake he really gave no answer, he wanted 50% of profits but then thought that wasnt enough, i said id give him insured money if he helped me get through to clearing a bonus and he said "do what you think is fair"
Half true as hes cherry picking what happened. Hes right, I didnt care about the terms. I never said said I wanted 50% either. I stated to him that the terms he is mentioning is unfair and a staker wouldnt agree to this for a dante player. I did say' do what you think is fair' as I didnt care what happened to the 500 and counted as lost if it was shipped. This was all pre shipping.
i tried to get him to make some definitive statements and not get a contract necessarily but have us each know exactly what the other wanted and he would never say anything other than "do what you think is fair"
true than he said he would do rackback 50% insurance if he loses. I didnt say anything, it was all his idea. Im like cool.
i ask him for tips on hypers because thats what he plays and now im on his money and his response is "the only tip i can give you is nothing is really wrong unless it is"
If your ganna to pretend to quote me, least cut and paste what I actually said. Im not going to look for the pm of what I said as there were so many, which is the reason why I wanted convos to be on messenger btw. The jist of my reply is that nothing you do is really wrong [in hypers]unless its an obvious mistake.
this is before he hits send of the $500..........
so he tells me we can do it and i wake up the next morning and he says nevermind, i start my session tilted thinking i just had a great opportunity ripped from me and lose $150 my first hour, im talking to him on PM and he requests a skype chat and wants me to tell him a feel good story so i tell him how i got shack girl out of the shack
here is a brief snippet of our convo:
so eventually he agrees to ship and i play and lose $80 the first day and he gets $40ish in rakeback insured
i wake up the next morning with pm's saying he wants to cancel..... again life tilt as how can u cancel down $40? i tell him he obviously doesnt get the insured money because he didnt do anything to help me clear the deposit and freak out telling him how im not scamming him, i go to stars to transfer and get another PM and he says just kidding i was testing you........... oh ya i lost another $100+ in this life tilting hour, i dont think my play was affected but who knows
I did this as I rather know Im being ripped off straight forward by him not returning the money than him trying to be sneaky in other ways. He never sent which is what I wanted to know for sure even though we were goign to continue but he was spasming so much i had to stop the 'test' as he prob would have had an aneurism. This was the first time he mentioned the i dont get rack back if i dont help him clear the bonus. I said I dont agree to that and that if he doesnt agree with me to send me back what ever is left over of my stake [ aprox 400] and we can end it here. He chooses to not send and keep playing
so another up down rollercoaster of a day and after 2 days we are down like 300 with 85 insured
the next day have my customary bad start am down to 150 i pm him and send him a pm saying i may need to get some more, he reads this as "ive lost all 500 and need money now" and in the next hour i go on a heater and shoot back up to 400 come back and he is once again saying he wants out and send him whatever money i have left, i tehn say hold on i just went on a heater and am at 400 and he says nevermind
he said he is down and may need more money. The words he uses implied he was down like around 450 from my calculations. At this point I was under the assumption he was down 450 with about 200 games a day at $5 games. He was going down to fast and Im thinking hes an obvious loser so I choose to cut losses and get back what ever it may be. He says he was down to 150 at the low and he is playing $5, $12 and $22 or something. Im like oh, than that acceptable rate lost to me. At this point Im still waiting for reports but ill explain that at the end with my summary
i end the day at 300 with 135 insured so he is down $65 (if he is helping me clear the bonus which will take weeks)
His warped mind thinks thats the terms which it isnt, hes adding this in his report making it sound like thats what we agreed on
so now we exchange some emails and i tell him how we really need to get on the same page on everything, and ask him what happens if i run out of his money one day am i playing on my money or his
he has been requesting hand histories but they arent working, i dont know why, i even download pokertracker and do an auto import and it says ive played 42 sngs, i sent PE my entire hand history for betsafe and it was full of errors and said my vpip was 92% (PE could confirm but instead he will try and be clever and witty or stir up more **** as usual)
so in less than a day i try to upload on google docs for him (first time i ever do it i didnt know i had to change the link to let everyone view and he gets mad over that even! but i changed it, im sure it wont work though) but that wasnt fast enough
then i email them and there response is they can send me a hand history within 72 hours (lol stars takes 72 minutes)
so he blows up for some reason with an email full of f bombs, i say ok ill send you back your money but helping me clear less than 10% of the money isnt enough for the insured, so he gets his 300 back and says if i dont send the 135 insured he is gonna come here and out me
I get eventually mad due to his incompetence. he is again trying to make half truths and jumping with events with what suits his story trying to make it sound like Im threating him by outing him. Im very care free about all this. I saw the money as lost already when it was sent. All i said is ill make a report of what I believe what happened.
ive made no lies in this post, everything ive said he could confirm as true unless he wants to lie, he basically put me on a 3 day emotional rollercoaster ride when im already pretty life tilted and quit when down what could have been $65
the moment he clicked send initially he regretted it and i instantly became the villain to him, before he sent he didnt care but once he did what he had just done hit him and everything i said to him was read through the eyes of someone that is sure they are getting scammed
I told him many times I think hes honest and i believe its prob not a scam
even when i tell him about sharkscope being off $200 in my favor he replies with: you are just trying to set me up with something bigger later
Undetected sarcasm. I do feel like the way he writes his reports, he is trying to pretend to quote me again and insinuate things about me. I said this sarcastically with a something like I know how these big scams work. Keep in mind I told him I believe its not a scam. Bad joke on my part in hindsight
ive already told him if we continue the $130 is still insured but he has to actually do it this time not just play games
I still dont agree to his no rackback if I dont continue thinking and say we have nothing to talk about if he doesnt send the rackback money. With letting him know I dont think its a scam and if he returns the rack back money we can keep talking so he can figure his **** out.
he is saying i am scamming him.......... i dont think i am
so false and I let him know multiple times i dont believe its a scam and I will just post my side of what happened to explain why I think his thinking is wrong.
My summary of what happened
Im being care free which is the only thing I thing Dante portrayed correctly in his report with out cherry picking. I was very do what ever u think was fair for the 500 stake. Thats when added the rackback.
It was only after he thought I was backing out with the 'test' that he added the only if I continue to which I insta said if that the case, send me back my remainder monies and we can part ways. He doesnt send.
Stake lasted over 3 days of playing. During that time he did not send one request I made. No basic report on each day of how many games played, win/lost and rackback cleared except for 2 days and 1 was wrong. No hand/tournament histories till after I refused to talk further untill he returned whats left of my money. He sent it on google docs which he didnt grant permission. prob the most funny part of all this was he wasnt able to make a yahoo account so we can message on messenger on my request.
So after the forth day, I didnt want to deal with his incompetence any more.
Due to Dantes unique style of thinking he believes he doesnt have to fullfill his insurance side since I cancled early; which was due to him not being able to provide me one request after 4 days.
Tdlr - I am being carefree of the staking and just being nice and dont care I lose 500. Dante states he'll give me 50% rakeback if he is not profitable. I shipp. I test him saying I want to stop the stake to see if its a scam. First time he introduced the I dont get rackback if I stop. I dont agree and tell him to shipp me my 400 if thats the case and we can part ways. We keep continuing. I have requested hand/tournament histories. I have requested basic daily reports. I have requested him get on a messenger. after it blew up, he still couldnt send me HH on google docs. Not one thing he was able to do. I call a stop and end it till he gets his act togther. He shipps me back what was left over of the stake and nothing of the rackback.
Last edited by djle2; 09-10-2013 at 03:11 PM.