4 million not 400k, dont try to make yourself sound better here

it was in the middle of one of the most densely populated cities on the planet, they had zero intention of harming him, he was walking out of it alive every time, he was just going to have to pay something to do so

he freaked out because he is A) a pu$$y and B) put himself in a bad position by carrying $1500 on him that he didnt need to have

so he tilt shoved 300 to them and they enjoyed a bottle of jack daniels together after their shift and paid their rent and bought their wife something nice

Those 2016 posters are really Mvp

[QUOTE=kick2dante;50523644]4 million not 400k, dont try to make yourself sound better here

4 million it was.

it's not just harming, but if they decide to plant drugs on me too.

i negotiated for 15 minutes. nothing was working. they were becoming increasingly agitated. it's not a good idea to make maniac cops agitated. i had a plane to catch. i didn't want to lose my cab because no taxi would have stopped for me near a police checkpoint.

how stupid are you? they had no idea how much money i had on me. if i had $100 they would have still asked for 10 million rupiah.

i was on a dark stretch of road at 5am in a strange city surrounded by belligerent maniac cops. good one.

who assumes that a tourist on the way to the airport still has a fat wallet?

you are right they had no idea how much you had, but you let the fact that you did have 1500 get into your head

why are u negotiating for 15 minutes (if that is even true)

you smile, say sorry for your inconvenience, and hand them $100 plus your last rupiahs and show them an empty wallet, if they still wont let you go then you grab some more

Never thought I'd see the day where lol69 was being the most level headed, reasonable person in a discussion/argument on here. Almost shocking actually.

K2d and jspill are ganging up lol69. Can't fight against the cartel they have MODs protection.

#ripSwimmin

Thought my argument was fine personally.

This is quickly descending into whose dick is bigger territory though. Probably best to move on.

Well mostly I meant he seemed to be on the more reasonable side of an argument/discussion for once. And you seemed to mostly be agreeing with him, that it's probably better to just play ball in that situation and not increase your chances of something pretty bad happening to you by trying to save a few bucks.

Also lol at Dante saying that just because they are in the middle of a crowded city that insures lol69's safety, and makes it certain nothing bad will happen to him. Surely he knows better than that after 4 years living in SEA.

you mean 4 years living here and never seeing a local do anything violent?

do you guys really think that if he gives the guy 100 to start he ends up in jail or dead? obv not, he either gets off with paying 100, or he goes back to get 200 more

I spend 86% of my time in S.A Asia with at LEAST $1500 on me. If i got pulled like lol69 i woulds just shipped the cops the whole lot and BALLED my way to the airport.

Did you see that video posted in the Thailand thread about a month or two ago?

A British couple, Husband and Wife and one other, maybe a friend or Husbands brother, something like that.

Anyway, all three of them were badly beaten, and I do mean badly...beaten, by a group of Thai guys they got in an argument with. This was out on the street, in the open, in the evening, with people all around witnessing it.

Another story from about a few months ago, about a taxi driver who pulled a machate on a customer and killed him with it. They were arguing over the cost of the fare.

Jspill just admitted he has had a knife pulled on him by a taxi driver in a similar situation before.


If you've never experienced or seen anything in four years, that's good, ok you've run good, but a certain amount of that is just luck. It's not because you handle things so much better than everyone else and it certainly isn't because violence towards foreigners by locals never occurs.

If a local pulled a knife on me, i'd just gently remind him I know P.E and they'll soon back down trust me.

so trolol can read and rip on stories here for 5 years with impunity, posts 1 story (ever) where he makes some pretty lol travel noob mistakes, and if we call him out on it we are a cartel with mod connections

seems legit

ive seen two instances of small violence, both times expats were involved and instigating it hard core, i was surprised that neither of them got their ass kicked

Same ****ty arguments, different thread.

Eh...whatever. I just gave you four documented instances within the past year of people being the victims of violence or the immediate threat of violence, and every time initiated by locals.

If you want to dismiss those, it's not skin off my back. But I do think you should rethink your approach to such situations if you intend to keep living in the third world for a long time.

Money and pride won't do you much good when you're dead.

But like I said, it's up to you man. No skin of my back if you don't want to listen.


*By the way, I do agree with you about the carrying $1,500 bit. Just not about the trying to negotiate with the stick up men bit.

i dont remember ever saying that no local has ever caused violence........... but asia is a pretty peaceful and safe place, thats why many of us are here instead of south america

remember the dudes in cambo who got attacked, one of them got his head caved in and had to be rushed to PP........ because they had to much cash on them

that is my bigger beef with trolols play, ever since they invented ATM's i havent found the need to carry 1500 on me to often


you guys need to ask yourself this....... what is the cops goal in that situation? it is to get money, they have zero interest in locking him up or killing him, they are trying to get money

they sit there and look for nice cars or foreigners to pull over all day, and hope to make 20k rupiah off any local with a bmw

they probably make $300 a month, getting 100 there is a huge score to them, no reason not to try it first, its not like trying 100 is going to have them kill you

yup, i pulled out $50 and showed them my rupiah and they weren't interested. they wanted pay the taxi driver to **** off and take me to the station.

i was on the way to the airport. the only time i had all my money with me was when travelling to an airport or from an airport. the rest of the time my money is in the safe deposit box. it's hardly a huge risk i have taken.

I don't think they would ever kill him in that spot, no. I also don't think they'd throw him in jail. Too much extra time and effort and not worth the paperwork or the on the booksness of that.

I do think there is a reasonable chance of them fu cking him up though, if they decide they really don't like his attitude.

Problem is sometimes they fu ck you up worse than they intended to and you end up dying anyway, even though those were not your intentions.

When you don't pay off Tony Soprano does he just say 'ah, ok, that's cool, yeah you can set the price, sure no problem, it's all up to you buddy.' Of course not. He rips you out of your car and bashes you in the head a bunch of times. Then when you are on the ground he kicks you in the stomach over and over again before finally stopping.

Yeah, I know, I know they aren't Tony Soprano...but really how do you know that? Those guys could have been mob affiliated you don't know. Is it worth finding out?

Point is it doesn't matter. Anyone hustling for money like that understands that you have to threaten, and be willing to commit, violence sometimes in order to keep the hustle going. Otherwise people will eventually wise up and realize you ain't actually going to do anything if they don't pay you.

It must be a bad experience for you I am sure..but,rarely I ever heard something like that happens to foreigners here..

All major capital city of the world sure have high crime numbers compare to other region/province,so it's not jakarta only..

I don't know how you conduct yourself while you're here,but I guess they(the cop) already set a mark or target on you(that's why I think they ask for Rp.10million/US$760ish)..

I kinda agree with most people here on principal that your life (or time)is worth more than a couple hundred dollars..and surprisingly our reaction to bargain about the money with the cop..

I hope you always be safe,if you ever visiting Indonesia or jakarta next time..and try stay in southern area(well,it didn't guarantee you to not being scammed again,cos bad luck can happen every where,it just safer area )

Wat? I stuck up for myself verbally. Why you so butthurt at me on a brand new account, kinda sound like spiv or the other banned guy....

Lonely: you'll notice I'm disagreeing with the two you claim have mod protection. Also fun travel trivia fact: first infraction I gave out was to Dante over sniping lol69 on this very issue.

Pooter: solid contributions as always

Itt: I think jspill posted it so you better believe k2d saw it. Also I agree with the point you are making

Mr: yeah its rare but it's a possibility in se Asia. It's important people know that the standard line is just end the situation as quickly as possible... even if you know pe!

Dante: approaching this situation like the guys are rational is very bad. Poverty ****s people. Risking a few hundred dollars over pissing over a sociopath who feels he needs to prove himself in front of his friends is dumb... even if it's "in the middle of a big city" I've been in several altercations with Chinese who were trying to prove they were tough. Even tonight a seemingly peaceful Korean guy almost got into a fist fight with a Thai hooker. .. people flip out it happens! And those were two of the less desperate, more rational nationalities.

not out of the question lol69 is making all this up he got the 400k / 4 million wrong and just an excuse to post negative stuff as always, like he does with other countries