I agree with him, foreigners have no chance with upper tier girls, unless the said foreigner is a superstar himself.
Not to mention that foreigners date girls on average that are much lower than them on looks scale, it can be laughable to see what kind of monsters some of them have around.

Where is the promised land where average guys are nailing upper tier girls just by being western?

Indonesia

You agree with him for a dumb reason, and you probably know that and are just trolling. Upper tier girls have nothing to do with dc's statements. Dc claims young foreigners only get a small fraction of girls while mentioning "bottom 5-10%" and "farm girls".

Basically he says the majority of SEA girls are out of foreigners league, so being foreign is a disadvantage. Do I even need to respond to that misinformation? 90% of Filipinas love white dick. They are so white washed it scares me.

I imagine dc has read one article or watched one video from the comfort of his home and now thinks he knows what's going on in SEA without ever being here.

In Jakarta you can easily nail 9+/10 girls? Never been there.. but I think that in all 1st tier cities in SEA it's almost impossible for white guys to nail upper tier girls (not even talking about dating them, gl with that unless rich or handsome mak mak), in the megacities the competition from other guys (models, elite, etc) is just too high imo.

Just left Jakarta and can confirm I saw some of the hottest girls ive seen in SEA. Going to nightclubs in Jakarta the girls pretty much have to be hi-so as cover and drinks are quite expensive. Same feeling as Thailand/Ph in terms of being white. Lots of school girl giggles and girls approaching etc.


Info youre way overstating how much Filipinas like white guys. Yeah, if you match with them on tinder they probably like white guys. Go to revel or any nice nightclub and see how many girls don't care that you're white. It's obviously still super easy but to say 95% of them crave white guys is absurd.

Definitely Pattaya. I've heard so many guys talk about how their girl is such a sweetheart and not like those filthy bar girls. Even me, I don't like to brag but I recently was with a hotel receptionist. Top tier stuff.

But, how many of them were 9+/10?

maybe i misunderstood him then, i thought he meant majority of high quality girls, in which case i do agree. If we are talking about any girls then obviously 90% are gonna be interested in foreigners, we are tall and white.

Both sides of this debate are stupid and exaggerated.

"High quality girls?" What are you even talking about? How do you measure girls for these strange standards and why are you even bothering?

And yeah, some girls like foreigners. But Info, you said yourself you've had like 15 girls in a year or something? Not bad... but you're hardly walking around town getting vag tossed at you.

I spend $600/month, put little effort and focus on LTRs over hookups. I don't get vag tossed at me but 90% of Filipinas do prefer white guys.

Atm

Because why not? Not like by talking about it we are interrupting a flood of hookers pics and degen TRs in this sub forum.

9+/10 girls. Kind of girls who hang out with the elite: politicians, showbiz celebrities, polices, military, mafia, businessman). When I was living in a 2nd tier cities in Thailand I met once a thai dude who was a young shot caller from the local thai mafia there, dude was a real baller, from what I heard he was well know to spew 5-10k$ per party mostly in private luxury house parties. Dude was >25yo, fat af, was easily spewing 100k$+ a month AND had a ***** hot 10/10 gf. Just an example.. but that's the kind of local dudes that western young guys are competing against for upper tier girls. And that's for 2nd tier cities now imagine about young local ballers from 1st tier cities like bkk..

To answer your question, I don't care. Just real talk, not easy to **** (lol at dating) upper tier non working girls.

Do SEA women crave random dudes that can't speak their language, don't know the social norms, whose job prospects are limited to English teacher, who even can't stay in the country without flipping visas, or live like a normal member of society (get a house, car, etc)?

Well, some do... And at least in Ph you eliminate most of the language barrier. But most women are very aware of who they can get and who is out of reach and white guy who often can't even tell a 30 year old from a 20 year old - not to even mention any standards of beauty -can be a good catch for that girl. She is batting way above the local guy she could get otherwise. I am not the only one who has seen normal looking white guys with dredges of local society. Ask some local guys what they think about the women foreign guys are dating. It seems like for a good number of western guys the only standard seems to be "skinny" and not much else...

This would all be moot if you were just looking for sex. Quantity is easy and this is the selling point of SEA. Quality is harder. Out of all the 2+2 guys who spent many years in SEA, how many found a great LTR? There are some, but much fewer than I would expect. And you say you are looking for LTR. Which i also don't understand: you are young, you don't have your **** together, it is strange that your focus in life seems to be searching for LTR right now.

This is the most puzzling thing in the whole thread.

One time he explained his version of a LTR and it was basically a FWB who wasn't allowed to sleep with other guys, and that would probably end in a year or 2 anyway. So I think mostly he's just looking for consistent sex with a girl who is good in bed and can offer some companionship on the side.

The problem when he's in a LTR is that he's even less productive than usual (if that's possible). In his spot, I think most people would be busting their arse trying to get some internet project or poker off the ground while keeping a rotation of girls to bang and occasionally adding a new one to the mix.

BTW, dc_pubes, I would argue that México is one of the few exceptions to your theorem. I think it's possible for white guys to come to central México (not tourist zones like Cancún or Puerto Vallarta) and have a great chance at landing a top notch girl. I was dating around in CDMX for 6 weeks there and most of the girls I met were well traveled, spoke many languages, had great jobs, and were well-versed in western culture. Definitely top 10%.

Yes.

Vast majority of Filipinas would love that. I hope you too can one day step foot on SEA.

Most foreigners' views on beauty are skewed and you can see some white guys holding hands with some true monsters, but they can get 90% of girls. It's their choice to settle for less. 90% is nothing to brag about considering half of Filipinas are scary ugly.

I'm not looking for that long of an LTR. More like an initial 2 months with the option to extend as long as she makes me happy. Maybe that makes me an ******* but I always tell them I'm not looking to marry.

you sound like a chick

Not really my experience in Bali, but I've heard Jakarta is like that. I wonder how many of the really hot girls are "hiso" though. Maybe I'm not understanding this conversation because my definition of that word is different. I had no problem meeting "hiso" girls in Phils.

That surprises me for similar reasons: I thought Pattaya was just straight up whores. Still a hotel receptionist is not exactly "hiso" according to what I thought people meant.

The whole thing seems elitist and like competitive traveling to me.

would you put yourself in the category of white guy settling for less?

No, I consider myself very picky in terms of girlfriends.

In my first 1-2 months in the Phils yes. I could not tell Asians apart and was trying to lock down any petite girl with slightly above average face. Also the huge selection compared to EU is overwhelming. Most my early 'crushes' of 2017 I wouldn't do more than hook up with today.

Having my first anal right now, or trying to, with clinger girl. I have lube but no carrot lmao. It took 20 minutes to work my way through small finger, thumb and finally my dick, but the second I managed to get my dick in she said she needs to poop and ran to the bathroom... now I'm waiting for her while typing this.

I almost ran out of lube though, might have to go to 7-eleven

Thought it was obvious but I was joking.


It's crazy to me you guys think most foreigners are with girls beneath them in terms of looks. Especially any older foreigner - the age gap alone usually has them pulling out of their league.

If were talking about 20 year old male models I guess I could see it. Only because there is a shortage of 8+s in Phils. The average Filipina is probably better than the average western girl but there is far less real smoke shows here.

Lol got ya. My recent jaunt into pgc has me taking everything as serious.

+1. This is why I said 'young and normal looking guys.' SEA is definitely a sweet spot for older guys. I guess SEA is also a sweet spot if one is very broke, but at 20ish one has a lot of paths still open in life that can change that.

I think Asian women are very hot, but I'll be very honest; I've seen, met, and dated more hot Asian women in NYC where I now live than in SEA. More importantly, I actually have a decent shot here in NYC. In SEA I saw some head turners in nice venues in nice neighborhoods and they were courted by good looking and relatively wealthy local guys that had a lot of social standing. Add language/culture/etc issues and in my opinion - for me at least - it was much harder to chat up these women overall. Much easier in NYC.

That makes a lot more sense. Just don't end in a village somewhere... although that could be good vlog material.

Are we defining top tier on looks alone or looks + social/economic status ?

If the latter then im afraid to say no one who has eve posted in any 2+2 travel thread has ever banged a top tier / hiso chick.

srsyl info most of your pics of chicks are super standard and I'd bet cash to dog **** none of them are 'hiso' and i mean HISO not 'non hooker who has own job and pays finance on a car' i mean actual members of 'High Society'

but her family owns a condo!!!!!