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07-14-2007 , 07:48 AM
I'm not sure I would consider myself an expert on Vientiane--I lived there for a month and just moved back to stay for a while. Other than a few places in Thailand, I haven't traveled extensively throughout SE Asia, so I can't compare it to other places in the region. I haven't been anywhere else in Laos, but hopefully that will change soon. To start off the discussion, here's a brief list of the pros and cons of Vientiane:

Pros
Hot falang-loving women
Cheap booze
Safe if you aren't a [censored]
Wide variety of cheap and tasty food
Friendly people
No "damn falang" attitude like Thailand
English is widely spoken

Cons
Limited freedoms and rights
90% of the city is shut down by 9:00
Except for 2 or 3 places, bars close at 11:30
Poor medical care
[censored] tuk-tuks
Sexing Laotians is illegal (though rarely enforced)
Internet is expensive and/or unreliable and/or slow

To give you an idea of the cost of living, here's what random things cost in US dollars:

Small bottle of water--$.20
Large beer in a bar or restaurant--$1
Fifth of Jameson in a store--$16
Meal in a local place--$1
Meal in a western-oriented place--$3-4
Meal at nicest place in town--$10 an entre
Personal Trainer--$5/hr

So ask away and I'll answer as best I can or talk to someone who knows what's up. I don't have internet at the place I'm staying at right now, so it may take a little while to respond to questions.
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07-14-2007 , 09:23 PM
Why did you go? I'll keep my assumptions to myself for now.
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07-15-2007 , 01:13 AM
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Why did you go? I'll keep my assumptions to myself for now.
I came for a brief holiday/Thai visa run, ended up loving it, and stayed for a month. I then spent a month in Bangkok, didn't care for it, and came back.
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07-15-2007 , 02:50 AM
Thanks for doing this
My questions:
how is the climate and how bad is pollution?
what do you pay for rent?
what kind of activities are available (like golf, tennis ...)?
what are the visa regulations?
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07-15-2007 , 04:07 AM
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how is the climate and how bad is pollution?
The climate is tropical, very similar to Thailand. Right now it is HOT. The heat in Thailand never really bothered me, but here it seems like I'm drenched in sweat after walking a couple blocks. Maybe I should start wearing shorts. It should cool off soon, though. Supposedly this is the rainy season, but it's been dry for few days I've been here.

There's not much air pollution because there isn't much traffic here. Vientiane is a very open city and there are plenty of trees.
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what do you pay for rent?
When I stayed here last time I worked out a long-term deal at a decent hotel (air conditioning, fridge, double bed) for $55/week and I'm doing a similar deal right now. I want to find a house or apartment in the near future. I should be able to find something nice in a central location for $200-300. I could pay more but I don't need 3 bedrooms or anything.
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what kind of activities are available (like golf, tennis ...)?
There are a couple golf courses in the area. I'm not really a golfer so I can't comment on how they are. I hear there's a bowling alley in town. I've seen badminton, squash, and volley ball. I'm pretty sure you would die if you tried to play tennis in this heat. I've played a couple times when it was over 90 degrees and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

There's an expat rugby team called the Vientiane Buffaloes. I'm a little undersized to play rugby plus I don't know many of the rules, so I don't think I'll be joining the team.
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what are the visa regulations?
30-day visa on arrival for about $35. This can be extended for (I think) 15 days in Laos. If you want to stay longer you need to leave the country and reenter.
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07-15-2007 , 04:13 AM
When I was typing the above, two ladyboys approached me and asked if I were interested in doing commercials for Lao TV. They gave me a card and took my email so there's a pretty good chance they're legit.
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07-15-2007 , 06:28 AM
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When I was typing the above, two ladyboys approached me and asked if I were interested in doing commercials for Lao TV. They gave me a card and took my email so there's a pretty good chance they're legit.
For some reason "legit" and "ladyboy" in the same sentence give me headaches
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07-15-2007 , 12:29 PM
Pics of
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Hot falang-loving women
plzktx
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07-15-2007 , 04:40 PM
"No "damn falang" attitude like Thailand"

I've never heard this before...could you elaborate?
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07-15-2007 , 08:08 PM
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"No "damn falang" attitude like Thailand"

I've never heard this before...could you elaborate?
Predominate mainly in Bankok. The last few years have seen a small but noticable angry nature for some lower class Thais resulting in some outward hostility towards farangs. Of course for Thais, any outward hostility is V bad/major loss of face, so the expression of the hostility is more like an angry look or word rather than violence one might find in other countries. But, from most reports of said instances, it's mainly restricted to BKK and lower class Thais. In 4mos, I haven't seen even one instance of it on Phuket Island.
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07-16-2007 , 01:29 AM
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Pics of
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Hot falang-loving women
plzktx
SE Asian women don't photograph well (i.e. they're much hotter in person) but I'll try and track some down. I've seen a number of formal portraits where the girls are wearing a silk skirt and silk top that leaves their shoulders and stomach exposed. I think this is the hottest thing ever. I tried doing a google image search but I'm not sure what it's called or what to search for.
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07-16-2007 , 01:48 AM
Random Lao hotties:


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07-16-2007 , 09:15 AM
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Cons
Limited freedoms and rights...
Can you expand on this plz?
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07-16-2007 , 09:50 AM
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Cons
Limited freedoms and rights...
Can you expand on this plz?
There's no freedom of speech, a one-party system, corruption, etc. They're very laid-back about it, though, and you can generally do what you want other than demand your right to do what you want. If they wanted to, the cops could arrest you for some BS reason to extort money from you and it's not like there's an ACLU you can call. The only English-language newspaper is owned by the government and is frequently hilarious. Rice farming looks awesome! The Bangkok Post is available so it's not like North Korea or anything. Web censorship is about the same as Thailand. I tried to find some quotes from organizations like Freedom House, but the sites were all blocked. I don't know what it's like outside of Vientiane other than Luang Prabang has a midnight curfew.
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07-16-2007 , 08:58 PM
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Sexing Laotians is illegal (though rarely enforced)
This alone sways me to thailand haha.

seriously though, has it ever been a problem? kind of negates the whole "falang loving women" thing.
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07-16-2007 , 11:44 PM
A pinhole in the rainsuit could be lethal?

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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07-17-2007 , 02:33 AM
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Sexing Laotians is illegal (though rarely enforced)
This alone sways me to thailand haha.

seriously though, has it ever been a problem? kind of negates the whole "falang loving women" thing.
From what I understand, this mainly happens in two situations. The first is if you're living with your Lao gf/bf/fiance in a more rural area and local officials find out about it, they may view it as a chance to make some easy money. In the second case, if you're dating a girl from a poor family, you're expected to help them out financially. This is just their culture, it's not a "let's extract money from wealthy foreigners" scheme. It would be the same if they were dating a well-off Lao guy. If you don't do this, the family might decide to make trouble for you by alerting local authorities.

If this were common, there would be all kinds of warnings and stories about this at the many Thai expat sites. At the very worst, you have to pay a $500 fine. Plus it makes sex more exciting.
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07-17-2007 , 06:05 AM
Ugh, every internet cafe is crammed with backpackers using all the bandwidth and it's impossible to play poker. Seriously, why are all these people coming to SE Asia and just sitting in front of a computer all day?
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07-17-2007 , 07:13 AM
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Ugh, every internet cafe is crammed with backpackers using all the bandwidth and it's impossible to play poker. Seriously, why are all these people coming to SE Asia and just sitting in front of a computer all day?
Each time I see a backpacker with his huge backpack in an internet cafe i feel like picking up a fight.
I can't stand those morons.
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07-20-2007 , 12:00 AM
Ofdabeat, u have a real hate for these backpackers huh?

Anyway, Not sure if ur a pot smoking, but whats the deal with marijuana there? Is it too sketchy to even try and look for it?

I live in China, and have no problems at all. Usually around the nice hotels there are always Nigerians selling bud and hash, but that is too sketchy for me. I have a local Chinese friend which always comes through for me but lately have been getting this very crumbly hash.

Anyways here, even though the reputation of "China and drugs will get you killed", there are many bars where all you smell is the beautiful smell of hash and bud. Seems completely ignored and okay to smoke pot in many of the bars. How is it where u r?
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07-20-2007 , 01:40 AM
I don't smoke pot anymore, but have talked to a lot of people who do and frequently see kids who are obviously blazed. The worst you have to fear is paying a fine of a couple hundred dollars. Finding pot isn't a problem. Every tuk-tuk driver (and there are a lot) will offer to sell you some. Some are apparently operating with cops though, so your best bet would be to find a local or backbacker with a connection. Despite some government crackdowns, opium is still widely available and is not considered too big of a deal. Unfortunately there are no longer opium dens in Vientiane, but some are apparently still operating in the countryside.

So far the hardest drug I've done is Xanax (which I don't even enjoy that much) but I'm going to see if adderall, vicodin, etc. are available just by walking into a pharmacy. I plan on getting some opium if I can find a reputable source. It was fun the few times it was around in college.
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07-22-2007 , 04:59 AM
check out vangviang and luang prabang if u havn't.

Can you describe a standard day for you in Vientienne?
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07-23-2007 , 04:19 AM
Standard day I wake up in the late morning, shower, and get a $1 breakfast at a local place. I then head to local Starbucks-like place (there are no Western chains in Vientiane) where I buy overpriced coffee and overpriced wi-fi access. With a break for lunch, I'll play until 4 or 5 when the games start getting bad.

Right now I'm playing on FTP but am looking into setting up a local bank account in dollars, playing on Party again, etc. The government blocks some sites but I know that FT and Stars work.

After this I call some friends and try to figure out my plans for the night. This usually involves going out to a bar or club. At this point I'll have a few hours to myself so I might get a massage, watch a movie, or even drink some absinthe while watching the sun set on the Mekong. Sometimes I'll play a second poker session from 8-10 or 11. Usually for dinner I'll "splurge" and get some Indian, Chinese, Italian, French, or other foreign food. Hell, there's even a falafel stand.

People start partying early here because every bar and club officially has to close at around 11. There are a few that stay open later (obviously there's some money passed around) and other late-night options include a few illegal afterhours places, local restaurants in the suburbs, or the surprisingly less common house party.

I'm trying to get some cash saved up before I do any more traveling but I really want to check out Vang Vieng and Luang Prabang.
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08-07-2007 , 08:49 AM
I stayed in Vientiane for a couple of nights. I found it a very boring city. for a couple days its ok but not for long time. Laos is a place for people whove seen it all and just want to stay at a quite place. I cant say too much about the girls because I stayed with my gitlfriend at Laos.
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08-07-2007 , 06:05 PM
Any live poker action?
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