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07-29-2016 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
er...uhhh....you're kinda contradicting yourself.
Did I?

I don't think it's really a political opinion to say a seller of wears/goods should have the right to charge whatever he wants for those wears/goods to whomever he wants.

Actually it's not even really an opinion, it's pretty much just a fact. If something is my property, it's my prerogative to sell it or not sell it to whomever I want, and to charge whatever I want to charge for it.

Don't see where I brought political opinion into that.
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07-29-2016 , 12:55 PM
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da fuq are you clowns talking about? It's absolutely a scam. If the person wants to charge a Thai and a foreigner different prices that is fine AS LONG AS THEY ARE UP FRONT ABOUT IT.

If they decide to charge the different price by telling the foreigner they will charge one price and then come payment time they invent a reason to charge more... that's a scam.

About 95% of what is being posting is completely irrelevant to this topic...
That is definitely a scam. If that's what SuperMario had happen to him then, yeah ok, not so cool.


I am just saying I defend their right to charge more from a farang. Uh, I mean I defend the right for an individual seller of wares to charge one price to a Thai and another price to a farang.

I don't defend the right for Thai citizens and Thai police to gang up on farangs when moter bike accidents happen and browbeat and intimidate them into coughing up a whole lot of money as essentially a bribe. I don't defend that right, because it isn't even a right at all.
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07-29-2016 , 12:56 PM
But Acer what about that one time a farang guy met a hiso thai girl with an iphone and car and everything and she even paid for some drinks!

NOT in the bottom 20%

That one guy he will always be the legend that we all wish to be.
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07-29-2016 , 01:56 PM
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But Acer what about that one time a farang guy met a hiso thai girl with an iphone and car and everything and she even paid for some drinks!

NOT in the bottom 20%

That one guy he will always be the legend that we all wish to be.
No Pooter that is you, or maybe the Pooter from a time in the past, before he became a 9 - 5 desk jockey, dealing with his sadness by living through Lol69 three-hole post.
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07-29-2016 , 01:59 PM
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Did I?

I don't think it's really a political opinion to say a seller of wears/goods should have the right to charge whatever he wants for those wears/goods to whomever he wants.

Actually it's not even really an opinion, it's pretty much just a fact. If something is my property, it's my prerogative to sell it or not sell it to whomever I want, and to charge whatever I want to charge for it.

Don't see where I brought political opinion into that.
thats exactly illegal in most of the first world dude.
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07-29-2016 , 02:19 PM
Ok, then I've broken the law and I'll likely go to jail. Doesn't mean I didn't still have the option of doing it. It's still my prerogative to decide for myself if I'm going to break the law or not.

In any event Thailand isn't the first world. Maybe in England that practice is against the law, but SuperMario isn't in England anymore.

When it rome...


You have to adapt to the way things are where you live currently, or gtfo. Just a simple fact of life, that is.

In Thailand they are allowed to employ double pricing in practice. That's just the way it is.

If SuperMario doesn't like it he can either just deal with it, or move along somewhere else.

That's not my opinion, that's just simply the way things are.

And as I said, that applies to all of us, not just to him obviously.
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07-29-2016 , 03:04 PM
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If you guys don't think that's true, then ask yourself/explain to me why you chose Thailand or the Philippines or Cambodia or even China instead of choosing another wealthy European country or the U.S. or Canada or AUS to settle in/live in?
Asian girls... Please don't tell me there is plenty of Asian in Canada USA or Australia, you know it's not the same thing
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07-29-2016 , 03:18 PM
So in your situation Lonely, I know you are genuinely into Asian girls...especially Korean ones. You have legitimate yellow fever.

But a lot of guys, like Dante, and Jspill are here because the girls aren't as progressive as they are in western countries and because they are more exotic and sought after for sex in Thailand than they are in there home countries.

Those reasons are still taking advantage of first world third world inequities.

So for most guys even answering - Asian girls still doesn't exclude them from taking advantage of those inequities.

You are an exception to that I believe, you do seem to be in Asia because you genuinely like the Asianness of the girls, not how easy it is to bed them.
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07-29-2016 , 03:32 PM
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So in your situation Lonely, I know you are genuinely into Asian girls...especially Korean ones. You have legitimate yellow fever.

But a lot of guys, like Dante, and Jspill are here because the girls aren't as progressive as they are in western countries and because they are more exotic and sought after for sex in Thailand than they are in there home countries.

Those reasons are still taking advantage of first world third world inequities.

So for most guys even answering - Asian girls still doesn't exclude them from taking advantage of those inequities.

You are an exception to that I believe, you do seem to be in Asia because you genuinely like the Asianness of the girls, not how easy it is to bed them.
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07-29-2016 , 03:47 PM
I'm still not convinced on Korea better than Japan, by the way.

At the very least, Japanese porn must be better than Korean porn. All the Japanese porn I've seen is much better than the Korean porn I've seen.

But I'd love to be shown otherwise.
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07-29-2016 , 03:49 PM
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At the very least, Japanese porn must be better than Korean porn. All the Japanese porn I've seen is much better than the Korean porn I've seen.
If you are into fetishes or domination, yes Japanese porn is the best. But if you only take the beauty factor in consideration, South Korea are way ahead from the rest of the world.
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07-29-2016 , 03:56 PM
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In the eyes of many of the locals we are doing this still. Ok, obviously not to the full degree. But I bet a lot of local men do look at us as coming in and taking their women. They look at us young guys as doing it with our exotic western looks and bigger dicks than many of the locals and the older guys as doing it with their superior financial positions to most of the locals. But see what you aren't getting is that, that right there is a form of exploitation. That's an inequity that we are taking advantage of.

I am sure some men do think we are taking "their woman", I think mostly they are backwards to think that way. It's a very narrow minded way to think in my opinion, it's the 21st century and the term "their woman" is ****ing bull****. I mean do they possess these woman?

You know maybe I'm being naive here, I guess to some degree you're right and poorer people are being exploited. But that's not just a Thailand problem, we see this happen all over the world.

You talk about us farangs exploiting Thai woman, I think we offer them a much better life than they could ever dream of. It's the Thai men who exploit and treat them like 2nd class citizens. They pimp them out, molest and rape them. Not to mention the child abuse that these woman/girls go through. Those Thai guys are ****ing animals, I doubt there's a REAL MAN in that whole ****ing country. If you ask me those woman need our help bad!

You can't deny that there are inequities present that we are taking advantage of, if you don't want to go so far as calling that exploitation well ok that's up to you...but really it is.

Look I'm not saying I'm any better than you are, I take advantage of all of this as well. It's just that at least I'm willing to acknowledge it, you could try to do the same.

Whichever country you go to, you are bound to take advantage or be taken advantage of but it depends a lot on the person too, what are his motives for visiting and what does he get up to.

As far as I can see, we are taking advantage of the fact that their country is more affordable. We might be taking advantage of girls/woman who have no choice but the whore out their body, I am worried a lot more that this is happening under my nose, not something I can personally do anything about unfortunately but it does cross my mind and I find this kind of behavior unacceptable.


Or keep living with the same false narratives as most other white guys here live with, the kinds of false narrative that allows British expats here to cheer on the Brexit decision back home while making the same complaints about the locals here that you are making without even beginning to recognize the extreme hypocrisy in that.

I don't know what to say, some people are hypocrites!

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07-29-2016 , 03:58 PM
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If you are into fetishes or domination, yes Japanese porn is the best. But if you only take the beauty factor in consideration, South Korea are way ahead from the rest of the world.
Maybe you haven't watched very much Japanese pornos Lonely. There is plenty of 'regular,' Japanese porn out there, not just fetish and domination stuff.

Anyway, pretty clear no one can ever convince you that any other country is hotter than South Korea...so I guess it would be futile of me to try.
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07-29-2016 , 04:25 PM
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Alright you know what, let's take the politics out of this and make it purely about economics, the free market, and individual rights.


If I have wares/goods that currently belong to me, my property and I want to sell them to you ...I get to charge you whatever price I damn well please. That's my right, my prerogative.

If your friend comes along and wants to buy the same goods, I can charge him whatever I want to charge...even if that's a different price than the one I quoted you.

Is that fair/ethical of me? Perhaps not, but this isn't kindergarten and we aren't little 6 year old girls, we are full grown adult men, so fu cking deal with it, it's reality.

Is it smart business by me? Probably not, but the free market will decide all, so if it's bad business by me ultimately the market will punish me for it, by seeing all my potential customers go to someone else.

Your analogy is flawed, it's easy to justify it that way, ohw he's a friend so I sell it cheaper to him, ohw he's family so he gets a discount. I understand this concept. It's not like this at all though is it. Even museums, tourist attractions, FFS even the ****ing songtheaw. Sure everybody gotta make a buck, but this is not acceptable, pricing should be equal for everybody. In my opinion so should salaries.

The Thais didn't ask you to come to their country, many of them don't want you in their country at all. None of them forced you to go there, none of them are forcing you to stay there and none of them would lose a second of sleep over it of you were to leave tomorrow and never come back.
Quick question:If the Russians get to Mars before anybody else, are they now Martians and can they now just tell us not to come to there new planet? Are they suddenly graciously letting us stay on Mars if they so feel like it?

You see, I do not see things the same way you do, even though it might be law or rule or whatever. A lot of these rules are ****ing bull**** and need to be changed. I do not agree with man made borders, just because people left Africa and settled in Thailand does not make them own that land. Sure I can't do anything about it but that does not make it right.


It's their country, not yours. You don't have the rights and right to expectations there that you seem to believe you do. You are a guest there. They are graciously allowing you to stay there. They don't have to be doing that.

I have no say in my own country either but that does not stop me from airing my voice and having an opinion about things. It's back wards thinking if you think the way you do. If we all followed the same mantra, we'd of never evolved or gotten any smarter, as we'd all be just stay ******ed and never question or try to make things better. A very stupid way to go through life!

It's not your home, you aren't one of them, you aren't part of their land and their community, you are a farang. No matter how long you may live there for you will always be a guest, a farang guest and nothing else, nothing more.

This applies for all of us by the way, not saying it's just you.

Surely not all of them think this way. Why do you think this way?

Bottom line is...

It's their country. They can do what they want in their country, and it's not up to you. If they want to charge you a different price than they charge their fellow countrymen well that is their right and their prerogative. They can do that.
That's just stupid logic. If you do not make them aware or do not try to educate, guess what, people will continue to behave like animals. They will not see their errors because nobody is pointing them out.

You don't have to like it, but then you know what...

Once again, no one is forcing you to live in Thailand, you're choosing to do so of your own free will.

If you aren't happy with something there your options are

1. Shut up, man up and just fu cking deal with it.

2. Decide you just can't accept it and try to do something to change it (lol, good luck with that.)

3. GTFO of the country. (like I said none of the Thais will miss you, it's absolutely fine by them if you take this option.)


You apparently chose option 4, which is to bitch and moan about it on an internet message board. That's a common option chosen, you are far from the first to choose it, only problem with this option is it doesn't change one thing, not one damn thing.
This last bit, you seem angry, chill the **** out kid! Nobody should have to deal with illogical bull****, it does not matter which ****ing country you are in. What if you had no options and the whole world was like this back wards, ******ed mentality?

It's the internet, tough guy, where people can voice their opinions, there is nothing wrong with that, really no reason for you to be behaving like a dickhead, is there?

If you actually want to do something about the problem, I suggest choosing one of options 1-3. Probably 1 or 3. 2 would solve the problem in the way you want but that would first require you convincing Thais to actually listen to the opinion of a farang as to how they should do things in their own country, and you're never going to achieve that.

So I'd suggest 1 or 3.
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07-29-2016 , 04:50 PM
It is the internet, you can voice your opinion, but what good do you think will come of your preaching to the farang choir about the evils of double pricing?

None of us hold any meaningful power in Thailand either. If you want to change that practice, don't you think you'd have a better chance of succeeding at that if you went directly to the Thais with your complaints?


I see in your first reply to me you were coming around on the fact that there may be a few inequities we are taking advantage of as first world farang in Thailand. That's all I was trying to achieve. I take advantage of those same inequities, but at least I'm honest with myself that that's what I'm doing. I'm not trying to look better than you, believe me I don't think I am, I'm just trying to get you to admit that to yourself as well. That's all.
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07-29-2016 , 05:57 PM
What exactly are you talking about? Which inequalities are you talking about specifically? I already told you that if you go abroad to any country that is poorer than the country you are from then you are bound to take advantage of that country, it is not just Thailand but worldwide!

If I go with a Thai girl, am I taking advantage of her, any more than if a Thai guy would go with the same girl?

And I was not trying to preach or even change anything, I was just pointing it out and stating my opinion on it!
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07-29-2016 , 06:14 PM
it is not just Thailand but worldwide!

I never said it applied to Thailand only. It doesn't. But Thailand is one of the countries is applies to.


If I go with a Thai girl, am I taking advantage of her, any more than if a Thai guy would go with the same girl?

I'm actually not sure on this one. But worldwide there is an inequity between women and men. So wherever you go there is that.
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07-29-2016 , 06:38 PM
Yes, we take advantage of the fact that our purchasing power is vastly greater than theirs. But doesnt mean that we are taking advantage of anybody. The locals do not suffer from the fact that I have a greater purchasing power than them, in fact the tourist areas obviously benefit greatly from it.

So no, I do not think its fair or correct in any way for them to try any sort of scam, just because Im a farang.
I think double pricing is wrong as well (especially since most of the shop owners are well aware im a long term resident with family), but at least the I have the option of saying no thanks, and walk away.

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It's pretty clear a lot of Thais don't like how many farang are living there. What do you think there reason for feeling that way is, just irrational xenophobia and that's it.
That´s part of it. There´s still pretty heavy indoctrination in schools, teaching the kids from a young age, how Thais are better superior people than everyone else.
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07-29-2016 , 08:11 PM
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But Acer what about that one time a farang guy met a hiso thai girl with an iphone and car and everything and she even paid for some drinks!

NOT in the bottom 20%

That one guy he will always be the legend that we all wish to be.
A Legend for 5 years, not one time but everyday and still counting !!!!

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07-29-2016 , 09:52 PM
Hey ved, I want to come to Samui in a couple weeks as well and plan on staying 3 about months. Can you hook me up with an apartment as well?

Steelerian, is it possible for me to get a motorbike license in Samui if I don't have one from my home country?

Thank you!
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07-30-2016 , 01:29 AM
Yup,kinda hate foreigners who come to 3rd world country and moan or bitching about little or simple stuff..

Don't get me wrong,scam in any countries is plain wrong and not good for tourism..but if you guys bitching and moaning about slightly different price/money that just LOL
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07-30-2016 , 03:20 AM
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No Pooter that is you, or maybe the Pooter from a time in the past, before he became a 9 - 5 desk jockey, dealing with his sadness by living through Lol69 three-hole post.
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