Hi, would you happen to know the article or law that says thats gambling is tax free as well? Would be appreciated to be able to see it black and white.

BTW, your article is no longer online it seems.

Any info is appreciated, cheers!

there is no law that says that per se.

there is a law wich states whom and how people/operators are taxed and earnings from Poker are not. Online and Live.

Hey, I'm a bit late in this thread?
Where are Portugal's best beaches situated? Perhaps Algarve?

Hi,

I thinking about move to Portugal. Do u have any advices where is the best spot to live?
Sounds good Algarve and Cascais but Cascais is too expensive, is it true ?
Thank you for any advices.

Alentejo IMO.

https://amantesdeviagens.com/conhece...ta-alentejana/

Oporto for sure.

Saw some decent deals for Setubal. Not too far from Lisbon and has some parks near it. Decent?

Heard good things about Porto.

Asked around about Algarve on Airbnb and it is a bit lacking in internet speeds plus things are too spread out - you probably need a car unless it's Faro or Lagos.

Thank you for responses, I heard good things about Porto.
Porto sounds good. But I prefer something where is a more like holiday vacation if you know what I mean. Do you have any tips for that ? Beaches, good weather and good prizes

Algarve has beaches but a bit expensive. That place Setubal has some good beaches. So does Cascais, Portugal. Bit expenisive too maybe.

not sure if people are still checking this thread but im thinking about spending some time in Portugal (gf is Portuguese and wants to go back). Just curious what the current state on online games are there. Currently playing 200-500nl mostly on party. Can I live there for 3/4 months a year and make any money? Thanks

Not sure how active this thread is, but it's worth a shot. Basically, I'm an American poker pro, looking to emigrate from the United States permanently. I'm basically taking the advice "if you don't like it, leave" and looking for a new permanent home. I don't want to discuss the merits of my decision, just looking for options of where to go.

Has anyone anyone had success establishing permanent residency in Portugal, with a path toward citizenship? I'm considering it for a few reasons. I've been there, and like the country. The fact that the economy and job market are fairly week doesn't affect me much. Since I don't have the "right" ancestors, I'm not able to easily gain citizenship elsewhere in the EU. Portugal seemed like the easiest option for someone willing to put in time to do it.

I'm not looking to renounce my American citizenship immediately, or maybe ever, but I do want to get started on the fairly long residency requirements to potentially obtain a secondary citizenship in the EU, and if I'm able to do that, I would consider renouncing later.

You actually fit a very similar profile as myself. I'm an American online poker pro looking to permanently emigrate to the EU as well.

The best resource I've been able to find for this is r/IWantOut

There you'll find lots of info on potential visas and stories from people going through the same processes.

I'd like to move to Spain or Portugal in 3-5 years w/an eye towards staying permanently. From what I've read, Spain is the easier of the 2 to stay, but I haven't done a ton of research.

For Portugal, your best bet might be the D7 visa. If this page is accurate, then you only need 7600+ Euros in a bank account to qualify:

D7 Visa

Thanks a lot, that page looks pretty useful! It's been really tough to find information like that, simply because Americans wanting to leave is just not that common, and most revolves around long term residency as opposed to obtaining citizenship. Normally people want to come here, not leave! Most of what I've found is for work visa, retirement, etc as opposed to wanting to leave American behind completely.

Spain was also a country I considered. From my very preliminary research, it seemed like the residency requirement was much longer than Portugal, but it did seem promising as far as being relatively hassle free for long term stays. One of my priorities is being on a path to citizenship, which is what made Portugal so attractive, but Spain is definitely on my radar as well.

I think both countries are similar in that most of their visas will put you on a path to ask for citizenship after ~5 years.

BTW, here's a video I saw regarding Spain's non-lucrative visa, which looks like an attractive option provided you have 25k+ saved up in a bank.

Spain is one step away from total collapse the way the economy is going, which is not a great time to be a non downtrodden outsider. Bureaucracy is generally pretty dysfunctional so ask for people that have gone through the process in recent years.

Portugal was always doing pretty badly as well and it's probably on the edge too.

Gibraltar before Brexit is a safe and stable option if you have the money and it's right next to Spain. If things get unstable there they can always close the border.

Once you have citizenship (UK passport) you can move to the UK as well.

It's best to consult experienced lawyers in these places who can advise you on the realistic costs and conditions these days and if you can transform your poker income into some sort of officially incorporated business, which makes for easier visas.

Even in the most reputable countries like the UK COVID essentially shut down parts of the bureaucracy for months already, leaving newcomers with higher tax payments and lots of issues as a result etc.

Some more countries:

https://www.sovereignman.com/lifesty...n-obtain-6109/

According to you, 99% of countries are terrible. Actually, maybe 100%, never seen you talk glowingly about a place.

You list an article that says Spain and Portugal are among the best options for a passport. Brazil and Argentina (also listed in your article) are in far worse shape, Argentina being the closest to "collapse". Also, a country going through economic struggles can be more of a positive than a negative for a foreigner who earns money via online poker or another outside method. Prices and rents in Argentina are absurdly low and it seems like a solid spot for foreigners (Dubnjoy lives there and seems very happy). I've lived in Mexico for 2.5 years and like it here and Mexico is closer to collapse than Spain/Portugal.

It's just my personal opinion. Take it with a grain of salt like everyone's and take their personal background into account as well.

In case you're curious, I'm from western Europe, never been to South America which I consider scary and dangerous, so you have a different perspective as well and I have a strong preference for northern countries.

You're American and living in Mexico, which I would never even enter, so both Spain and Portugal are definitely a first world upgrade in comparison, with Portugal probably being the most safe of the two.

Spain is heavily overtouristed and while people rely on tourism (which is completely dead this year due to COVID) they got pretty tired of noisy teenagers, overprivilidged hipsters who think the city is their playground and drunken party proles in the respective white trash tourist cities, which makes people much more weary of dealing with foreigners than in Portugal which doesn't suffer from this scale of mass tourism.

The main problem in Portugal is very high housing costs. If you want to buy an apartment that's livable prepare to shell out 300k USD in Lisbon, while local salaries for higher paid professional jobs are $1500 after taxes.

If the EUR ever collapses Spain would probably the first country to turn full Venezuela as well.

I don't have a preference between Spain and Portugal. Will probably just choose whichever seems like it has an easier to path to citizenship in 3 years or whenever I'm ready to make the move. Not worried at all about one of them going full Venezuela unless corona lasts like 2-3 years or something. In that case, tons of countries would be screwed.

Lisbon is kinda weird in that it's like 50% as cheap to rent compared to a lot of pricier American cities, but slightly more expensive to buy. I'm fine renting for awhile though. And the salaries aren't really a concern. My girlfriend and I both work online so we should always have decent buying power compared to locals in Spain/Portugal.

Portugal receives 21.2 million visitors w/a population of 10.2 million compared to 81.8 million visitors and 47 million population, per capita, Portugal is higher. And tourism revenue as a % of GDP is 5.2% in Spain and 7.9% in Portugual. So you're definitely wrong there. Portugal is quite a bit more reliant and tourism, but neither would fall before Greece (which the EU won't let fall either).

Some of Latin America ranges from fairly dangerous to very dangerous, but a lot of it is quite safe. Some of Mexico can be dangerous, but the danger level seems way overblown and Mexico City has felt very safe in the 2.5 years I've been here. I wouldn't live in a place I thought was dangerous. I'm staying in Brazil (Rio) for 3 months this Winter and it's one of the few places I've traveled that I'm actually a bit concerned about the danger level.

Fossil: Based upon things you've written in your "Mexico City is underrated" thread, I was under the impression that you were planning on permanently living in Mexico; was my impression wrong, or have your thoughts / plans changed?

For a while you were clearly enamoured with Mexico City...Covid notwithstanding, now that you've lived in Mexico City for a significant period of time, are you seeing or experiencing sides of life there that you're not so enamoured of?

PoC, basically I've always loved Europe. I stayed in France for 1.5 years and the only reason I left was b/c my visa ran out. I even briefly considered studying at a uni for a (mostly) useless degree just to be able to maintain my student visa, but I gave up on that idea once I found out that it would have required 30 hours of physical presence in classrooms per week.

CDMX is my favorite city in the western hemisphere, and if I'm unable to stay in Europe, then it would be my #1 choice to live in. I'd say there's less than 5% chance I'd ever live in USA/Canada again.

However, in the last half year or so I've started to find out about certain visa options in Spain (and possibly Portugal) that would be fairly attainable, so it's got me thinking again about trying to live in Europe.

So while I'm still a big fan of CDMX, I'll probably always be looking for ways to live in Europe. For now, I'd say I'll likely be in CDMX for the next 3 years, but after that, I'd like to take another shot at Europe provided there are doable visa options.

Are there any rooms you can play on besides PokerStars Europe?

legally, that and 888.

others are not regulated here.

it is!

like them in Belém "Pastéis de Bélem" but they are not quite 100% pastéis de nata, but are my favs.

If you are looking at Portugal seriously like me. I have found this American couple who moved to Portugal over a year ago and retired at a young age. Their Youtube channel is full of information.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChO...bgGUXJGc2ePP3Q