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04-08-2015 , 12:16 PM
well yeah, of course.

But assuming a deep enough roll it would be worth it when you factor in how much more you should be making than you are now.

If it were just about money I'd say you're making a mistake.

But you don't like playing live poker, and that's really the more important reason not to do it, for quality of life purposes.
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04-08-2015 , 12:21 PM
there is also the whole manila kind of sucks factor


hmm i dont know how my work would do on an ipad, and id have to buy an ipad which hurts that as well
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04-08-2015 , 01:41 PM
Can anyone recommend an okay guest house/hotel close(within 5 km) to Resort World in Manila? Lets say under 1000 pesos.

Can one keep cash at resort world between poker sessions?
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04-08-2015 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ITT666
50-100 is a little bit bigger than $1/$2 stakes when directly converted to USD. I do mean just a little bit bigger though, so essentially it's $1/$2.


That being said from what I've heard the game usually plays both deep and big. So instead of opens being 3-6x they might be 10x+. That means a standard open may be 1000 pesos and a raise over a few limpers might be 1,200 pesos or so.

Thankfully the game plays deep also. I believe you can buy in for 20,000 pesos so 200bb's deep, and that many of the players in the game do that.

So when you factor the depth of the game and how big it's played a game that is '$1/$2' game really ends up playing more like a $2/$5 game.

If the same holds true for the 100/200 game which directly converted is $2/$5, then it follows that that game may well play closer to a $5/$10 game.
I'm sure this depends on where you play.

Admittedly, I only play live once while in the Philippines and that was in Cebu. Stakes were only 25p/50p. But all seven Filipinos at the table bought in for min and played push/fold. I wasn't there to specifically play poker, thank God, just checking out a casino. I played for an hour and was bored stiff. Made a whopping 500p or so...Another foreigner called down an ace-high board with a weak second pair.

Another consideration is that max rake is generally higher than in most of other countries.
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04-08-2015 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ITT666
Yes, I agree with you on this.


25-50-100 game at the Waterfront? Interesting. It used to be the biggest they had was just 25-50, but I haven't played there in 4.5 years so I guess it's changed in that time.
That's where I played, and it was also around that same time period. I didn't mention above that minimum buyin was 20BB.

A straddle and higher minimum buyin would make it much more interesting and profitable.
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04-08-2015 , 07:26 PM
Yes, apparently it's 100bb minimum buy now.

Yes the rake is higher in Philippines, that's why its kind of one way or the other. If/when the game plays deep and big obviously it shouldn't be hard to beat the rake in the 50 - 100 game, if there are a lot of short stacking weak tight passives that like to slowly dribble away there chips that's clearly a very different story.
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04-08-2015 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ITT666
Yes, apparently it's 100bb minimum buy now.

Yes the rake is higher in Philippines, that's why its kind of one way or the other. If/when the game plays deep and big obviously it shouldn't be hard to beat the rake in the 50 - 100 game, if there are a lot of short stacking weak tight passives that like to slowly dribble away there chips that's clearly a very different story.
So are deeper-stack games a general trend across various card rooms in the Philippines?

If so, that's encouraging. I'll do a good deal of live play.
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04-08-2015 , 08:31 PM
Well I've heard different opinions on this. You'll have to ask some of the guys posting in here who have played these games recently.
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04-08-2015 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ITT666
Well I've heard different opinions on this. You'll have to ask some of the guys posting in here who have played these games recently.
from last week :
RW game
starts 25-50 php at around 11 am, half the table at least buys deep,
normal open raises usually 5-7 x - gets 2-5 callers
post-flop 3-5 ways all in not a rare thing, top set, vs up n down, vs two pairs vs long shot gutter two-outer to nuts...
they re-buy at least twice, usually lower. i saw one table maniac re-buying 7 times in one hour.. the chip girl staying close to him. Finally variance went his way and he probably broke-even.
you have NO FOLD EQUITY unless all in massive overbet..
-50-100 game starts around 6-7 pm but sometimes 3pm if about 3 25-50 already running
-at least half the tables (80pct chance if it is a starting table for a given level) have a pre-flop maniac raising or playing ATC and not giving up bottom pair
-many dealers are horribly slow not knowing where the action is as in juniors training and also making huge php mistakes. Also, there is no such thing as a string bet.. you can put your entire stack in with one hand, then start cutting small stacks and take 2/3 of your chips back if you see your villain is comfortable.
-floor is going to favor locals

the best i saw for housing near RW on airbnb is a 30 usd place fully to yourself with wifi,etc.. but the one time i inquired, he said it was full despite the calendar showing open..

I'll let you know what the action is in Angeles by the end of next week..

Last edited by bernie68; 04-08-2015 at 11:27 PM.
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04-08-2015 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bernie68
from last week :
RW game
starts 25-50 php at around 11 am, half the table at least buys deep,
normal open raises usually 5-7 x - gets 2-5 callers
post-flop 3-5 ways all in not a rare thing, top set, vs up n down, vs two pairs vs long shot gutter two-outer to nuts...
they re-buy at least twice, usually lower. i saw one table maniac re-buying 7 times in one hour.. the chip girl staying close to him. Finally variance went his way and he probably broke-even.
you have NO FOLD EQUITY unless all in massive overbet..
-50-100 game starts around 6-7 pm but sometimes 3pm if about 3 25-50 already running
-at least half the tables (80pct chance if it is a starting table for a given level) have a pre-flop maniac raising or playing ATC and not giving up bottom pair
-many dealers are horribly slow not knowing where the action is as in juniors training and also making huge php mistakes. Also, there is no such thing as a string bet.. you can put your entire stack in with one hand, then start cutting small stacks and take 2/3 of your chips back if you see your villain is comfortable.
-floor is going to favor locals

the best i saw for housing near RW on airbnb is a 30 usd place fully to yourself with wifi,etc.. but the one time i inquired, he said it was full despite the calendar showing open..

I'll let you know what the action is in Angeles by the end of next week..
Thanks Bernie.


Guys was some one trolling when they say that it is 45 minutes between RW and Solataire because according to the link below it is 15 minutes (11:45AM PI time)?

Also what are the selection/healthiness/quality of restaurant foods in and around RW/Soltaire?

https://www.google.com.ph/maps/dir/R...05!2d14.522806


Looks like if you want game selection all you have to do is relocate to an accommodation smack dab in the middle, which seems like a super shark move

Last edited by DaBowskii; 04-09-2015 at 12:13 AM. Reason: I am Le Food Fiend!
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04-09-2015 , 04:25 AM
is there anything with a lower success rate than a call from a pinay?

why do they even bother? at least half the time they hang up on you in under 30 seconds, and at best 10% of the time is there any sort of decent conversation
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04-09-2015 , 05:19 AM
haha i agree. dont think ive picked up once. The amount of facebook calls i get is silly. Theyre so persistent
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04-09-2015 , 10:25 AM
ya they call then dont say anything and hang up on you, then call right back and do the same thing again, then if u dont answer the third time they ask "hey why you not answer to me"
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04-09-2015 , 11:10 AM
oh wow such an idiot. Only extended 1 month at immigration because i was 70% sure i was going home this month. Decided to go home next month instead so now i have to pay visa extension + fee for lost ACR card (which is like 5k)....when i could have just paid an additional 500p for 2 months for that 30% i was unsure about.

didnt know it was so cheap for an extra 1 month
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04-09-2015 , 01:20 PM
is that really the fee for lost acr?

wow
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04-09-2015 , 02:02 PM
nah, 2k for card. 3k for visa. my bad. worded it poorly
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04-09-2015 , 02:41 PM
poker wont be around forever....how hard is it for a foreigner to get a job in this country? And what type of jobs are there for foreigners? Graduated last year with computer science degree with no work exp. Dont think i ever really want to leave here sooo just asking. bit of a vague question but w/e

Last edited by Burnss; 04-09-2015 at 02:58 PM.
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04-09-2015 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DaBowskii
Guys was some one trolling when they say that it is 45 minutes between RW and Solataire because according to the link below it is 15 minutes (11:45AM PI time)?
They must have been walking...at a slow pace.

They are quite close.
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04-09-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Burnss
poker wont be around forever....how hard is it for a foreigner to get a job in this country? And what type of jobs are there for foreigners? Graduated last year with computer science degree with no work exp. Dont think i ever really want to leave here sooo just asking. bit of a vague question but w/e
From what I understand, it's almost impossibly hard to get a job in the Philippines from within the Philippines.

Your best bet is to get into a company abroad with a Philippines division and then transfer. But that's too much work!

To legally be able to work in the Philippines, the company that wishes to hire you must show that your services would be an integral part of their operations. The company would then petition to obtain a Philippines Work Visa, a lengthy process. This visa belongs to the company, not you, and you cannot use it to obtain a different job. You would need to go through the entire process all over again.

Much better I think is that you find something you can do via internet. I don't know what K2D is doing, but I spent several months freelance writing. If you are decent at writing, for example, you can develop a steady and eventually OK income, but it is WORK. You need to build up your reputation.

Few other "internet opportunities" actually make you money. if anyone knows of a reproducible activity that makes decent money, please let me know.
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04-09-2015 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kick2dante
is there anything with a lower success rate than a call from a pinay?

why do they even bother? at least half the time they hang up on you in under 30 seconds, and at best 10% of the time is there any sort of decent conversation
I found a an awesome Pinay women on this trip from FC. There are definitely a lot of odd ones who would do weird stuff like find you on facebook using a photo search, call you 9 times in a row, sit on the phone with her friends in the background, not say anything, ask you do send pics right off the bat, etc..

The woman I met is really open-minded, almost done with university, not uber religious (TY spirit sir), willing to adapt to different cultures w/o knowing the language, open with her family, and has motivations to develop her individual potential beyond the many who are just chasing $ (that will have steep decaying returns), and supporting their family.

From my limited experience the better they speak english the more likely they are have potential. English is the language that they are educated in so if they have poor english skills they are uneducated and/or lazy/dusty. Also asking questions like what they want to achieve in life and the larger purpose for their pursuits early on [which are would make many western women autopilot reject you] can be good indications of their long-term value, intentions, and compatibility.

Some cultural differences exist even in my girl:

I still have problems with her trying to steal the frame of the relationship and expecting that I pick her up when she is down but she feels fine ignoring topics even if they are important to me. Multiple times at night she has told me that she just fell asleep or some other BS when she didn't want to go into a certain topic/issue.
I am attempting to freeze her out, and rather than fling out negativity, use everything I have used about PUA/Game [I am not a PUA just a curious mind] to snatch the frame. I hope to demonstrate that I am alpha, mentally strong, willing to risk it all, valuable, and the prize. I reason that it is the intention of the action, not the tact (with obvious exceptions) that defines if something is moral/acceptable relationship ammunition.
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04-09-2015 , 08:55 PM
I am headed to Pasay today for the weekend to try and earn at RW and Solaire. I decided to limit my poker sharking to one long weekend in Manilla and a possible Cebu trip.

Do they accept call-ins or text-ins or some other similar shenanigan? Any last minute insider tips about unique house rules (I saw the odd allowance of super-duper string bets from Bernie's post)?

I am waiting to put in the heavy hours in South Korea where I expect to find bigger & better games. I will likely publish a TR about the games but may wait and just slip it into one large post about my experiences 'workationing' in PI.
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04-09-2015 , 10:16 PM
My main takeaway from the culture of the people is that they are passive/non confrontational.. better for them to ignore or to say 'yeah' to something they did not understand than to say 'what do you mean?/entering a dialogue' or 'no'..
regarding the choice of woman, here is my experience..
->the main filter for them is to the downside..
1. will you stick with them/be faithful and 2. not hit them (everyone of them had that question!)
-> once their downside filter is satisfied, they will look at your upside package in terms of marriage/baby/support to the family:
you only need to satisfy one of those 3 fully, and if you do 2 of the 3, you are the King

Of course, this experience of mine is maybe biased as I have my own first filters and this is the result in my sample after my main filtering...

reality :
. one of the sisters here married a guy from Australia who was 69 (she was 18), but he delivered on marriage and two kids to her now.. she is fully on his side and they are not helping her family.
. another sister also married an Australian.. he is the main family support and she is honest and devoted to him.. no kids
he bosses the family around when here. They married at around 22 & 47. He actually had plans to marry off 'my girl' to one of his friends.
. a third sister married a local young guy.. as he is on many assignments away from home, she lazies around with the family, singing karaoke, not contributing and picking fights when being put in her place (very seldomly) for exagerated profiteering.

Whatever you are looking for, the balance of offer and demand is completely inverted from the west.. You have the choice of 10 to 1.. know your own priorities and meet 10 of them and you'll always end up pretty good.. or in heaven..
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04-09-2015 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverJohn
From what I understand, it's almost impossibly hard to get a job in the Philippines from within the Philippines.

Your best bet is to get into a company abroad with a Philippines division and then transfer. But that's too much work!

To legally be able to work in the Philippines, the company that wishes to hire you must show that your services would be an integral part of their operations. The company would then petition to obtain a Philippines Work Visa, a lengthy process. This visa belongs to the company, not you, and you cannot use it to obtain a different job. You would need to go through the entire process all over again.

Much better I think is that you find something you can do via internet. I don't know what K2D is doing, but I spent several months freelance writing. If you are decent at writing, for example, you can develop a steady and eventually OK income, but it is WORK. You need to build up your reputation.

Few other "internet opportunities" actually make you money. if anyone knows of a reproducible activity that makes decent money, please let me know.
Yeh, to add a more details: the tricky part for getting an Alien Employment Permit (AEP) is that one of the requirements says that your job cannot be done by a Filipino. So yeh..

Most foreigners who do work here, are married to a Filipina and don't require that AEP anymore. So there is your second option I think many of them work in call centers since Americans (I assume you are?) probably talk pretty good English. That's around 20-40k a month so you might have to move out of that nice apartment of yours :X

If you have a "computer science degree" and like programming(?), you should definitely learn more about that. A good programmer should be able to freelance for US/EU companies while living here. I am actually doing that and currently in the process of setting up an outsourcing company here for web development.
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04-10-2015 , 12:04 AM
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If you have a "computer science degree" and like programming(?), you should definitely learn more about that. A good programmer should be able to freelance for US/EU companies while living here. I am actually doing that and currently in the process of setting up an outsourcing company here for web development.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking when I posted above...there is quite a large freelance market for programming on the Internet. Fees for those actively doing this run from very cheap (often Filipinos or Indians) to somewhat expensive.

There are websites set up that connect you with work and keep good track of your reputation so that you can charge higher prices after a few jobs depending on your quality and ambition. I looked into a couple of these sites years ago and they seemed promising.
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04-10-2015 , 12:08 AM
Ohhh thx for info guys! Thats ****ty! Makes sense, majority of foreigners i meet are here because their company ended up moving here from uk/aus/us.

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Originally Posted by NLNico
If you have a "computer science degree" and like programming(?), you should definitely learn more about that. A good programmer should be able to freelance for US/EU companies while living here. I am actually doing that and currently in the process of setting up an outsourcing company here for web development.
yeh i enjoy programming, but like many others. Finding projects to develop your programming skills is always quite difficult to come up with imo. I certainly dont think im ready to freelance yet. Although working on some of the really cheap offers could be worth it i guess
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